Editing Talk:Underworld (section)

== Shalongrarg ==
This one's a bit of a handful to explain, but, despite this not being explicitly stated, [[Rise of the Necromancer]] apparently takes place after the Night of Shooting Stars. This would mean that Shalongrarg, [[Jared]] and the Inferno from [[Target]] are part of the Kreegan ilk.

Unholy Alliance (and by extension, Rise of the Necromancer) takes place soon after [[Elixir of Life]], with "Lord Falorel" being killed by Sandro after the latter arrived in Deyja. Gelu's age is also important here. He was a baby when he was found in 1150, so he could be born a few years before that at the latest. In Elixir of Life, he is stated to be the youngest member of the Forest Guard (and Sandro later calls him "boy" and "snippet"), but he should be at the very least 13-14 during that campaign. So, Elixir apparently takes place around 1162-63, maybe 1161-62 at the earliest. All this points to Target being after the Night of Shooting Stars.

Also (more circumstantial and open for interpretation): in [[Search for a Killer]], it is mentioned that the Shandar '''once''' was a shipping route for trading with the halflings, and Eeofol is already shown as scorched in Rise of the Necromancer. Granted, trade could have stopped due to other reasons, and we know that Eeofol is a volcanic range, with Fire Coast (which [[Tunnels and Troglodytes|is not]] as scorched and hellish as Kreegan Eeofol) also being shown as volcanic on the map. But these two still point to Rise being after the Night.

Getting back to Shalongrarg, I think there is much more reason to believe that he and Jared are from the Kreegan Eeofol. After all, it is mentioned that there were some minor skirmishes with Eeofol's forces between when the Kreegans ended their initial attack and the Restoration Wars. Jared could have been making his raids during that time.

Overall, I think it'd be best to rephrase the Shalongrarg mention for clarity or remove it altogether. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 01:43, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
* I did a bit of a deep-dive into the timeline from the homm3 side...see [[Talk:Timeline]] for how I came up with Rise of the Necromancer being in 1157. The SoD timeline is a little nebulous and there is definitely a bit of a time skip somewhere...just not sure exactly where. It is entirely possible that I missed something or at least misinterpreted something. At the very least there may be conflicting info that should be added to that page. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 01:54, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
* I agree with your point about Gelu's age. I think with that bit of info should be added to the timeline talk page. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 02:07, 11 August 2025 (UTC)