Join: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 20:24, 1 November 2024

Joining is a feature where a stack of wandering creatures are willing to become a part of hero's army for free or in exchange for gold. Whether or not the stack will join depends on several factors, explained below.

Calculation and factors[edit | hide | hide all]

Mood values (M)
A value that is set by the map creator for each wandering monster. • Default level is 'Aggressive'. • If the M-value is a range, a random number is picked at the beginning of the battle.
M	Aggression level
-4	Compliant
1–7	Friendly
1–10	Aggressive
4–10	Hostile
10	Savage

Sympathy values (S_y)
How many of the hero's creatures are from the same creature type as the wandering creature (upgraded does not matter)? • Exception: Water/Ice, Fire/Energy and Earth/Magma Elemental upgrades count as different types.
S_y	Sympathy description
0	Zero
1	At least one
2	Over 50% of the hero's creatures

Strength values (S_t)
A value based on the relative strength of the 2 armies (See equation for 'k' to left). • '*' means rounded down
S_t	k
11	k ≥ 7
2 × (k-1)^*	1 ≤ k < 7
-1	0.5 ≤ k < 1
-2	0.333 ≤ k < 0.5
-3	k < 0.333

Diplomacy values (D)
The level of the Diplomacy skill. • Add +1 if playing on Easy difficulty and not having Expert Diplomacy
D	Diplomacy level
1	No Diplomacy skill
2	Basic level Diplomacy
3	Advanced level Diplomacy
4	Expert level Diplomacy

Possible Creature Actions[edit | hide]

C < M → Creatures will fight

C is the Charisma value (see equation below)
M is the Mood value (see chart on right)

C ≥ M → 3 possible outcomes

Stack will join for free if S_y + D ≥ M
Stack will join for gold if S_y + D + 2 ≥ M
Stack will fight if S_y + D + 2 < M

Supporting Equations[edit | hide]

C = S_t + D + S_y

S_t is is strength value (see table to right)
D is Diplomacy value (see table to right)
S_y is Sympathy value (see table to right)

k = H × Hero army Strength / AI army Strength

H is hero strength value (see equation below)
NOTE: The army strength is the sum of AI creature values.

H = √(1 + 0.05 × A) × (1 + 0.05 × D)

A is the hero's attack skill value
D is the hero's defense skill value

External links[edit | hide]

Thread: Diplomacy internals on Heroes Community]

@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
-'''Joining''' is a feature where a stack of [[wandering creature]]s are willing to become a part of hero's army for free or in exchange for [[gold]]. Whether or not the stack will join depends on several factors, but basically if the hero's charisma value (C) is lower than creature stack's mood value (M) the creatures will fight. If charisma is greater there are three possible outcomes:
+'''Joining''' is a feature where a stack of [[wandering creature]]s are willing to become a part of hero's army for free or in exchange for [[gold]]. Whether or not the stack will join depends on several factors, explained below.
-# the stack will join for free,
-# the stack will join for gold, or
-# the stack will fight.
-In other words, if the charisma value is greater than mood value there is a possibility that the stack will join, but they may still be willing to fight.
-The creature mood is a set by the map creator. The default map setting is "Aggressive", giving a random mood value between 1 and 10.
 == Calculation and factors ==
 {| class="wikitable" style="margin: 0 0 0 1em; float:right; width:400px;"
-! colspan=2 style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;" | Mood values
+! colspan=2 | Mood values (M)
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | A value that is set by the map creator for each wandering monster.<br>• Default level is 'Aggressive'.<br>• If the M-value is a range, a random number is picked at the beginning of the battle.
 |-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; width:75px;" | '''M'''
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em; width:75px;" | M
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''Aggression:'''
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Aggression level
 |-
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -4
@@ Line 28: / Line 24: @@
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 10
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Savage
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="background-color:darkgray;" |
+|-
+! colspan=2 | Sympathy values (S<sub>y</sub>)
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | How many of the hero's creatures are from the same creature type as the wandering creature (upgraded does not matter)?<br>• Exception: Water/Ice, Fire/Energy and Earth/Magma Elemental upgrades count as different types.
+|-
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | S<sub>y</sub>
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Sympathy description
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | Zero
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | At least one
 |-
-! colspan=2 style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;" | Strength values
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 2
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | Over 50% of the hero's creatures
+|}
+{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 0 0 0 1em; float:right; width:400px;"
+|-
+! colspan=2 | Strength values (S<sub>t</sub>)
 |-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''S<sub>t</sub>'''
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | A value based on the relative strength of the 2 armies (See equation for 'k' to left).<br>• '*' means rounded down''
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''k'''
+|-
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | S<sub>t</sub>
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | k
 |-
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 11
@@ Line 41: / Line 61: @@
 |-
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -1
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0,5 ≤ k < 1
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0.5 ≤ k < 1
 |-
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -2
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0,333 ≤ k < 0,5
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0.333 ≤ k < 0.5
 |-
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -3
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | k < 0,333
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | k < 0.333
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="background-color:darkgray;" |
 |-
-| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | <sup>''* rounded down''</sup>
+! colspan=2 | Diplomacy values (D)
 |-
-! colspan=2 style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;" | Diplomacy values
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | The level of the Diplomacy skill.<br>• Add +1 if playing on Easy difficulty and not having Expert Diplomacy
 |-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''D'''
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | D
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''Level of Diplomacy'''
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | [[Diplomacy]] level
 |-
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1
@@ Line 67: / Line 90: @@
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 4
 |  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Expert level [[Diplomacy]]
-|-
-! colspan=2 style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;" | Sympathy values
-|-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''S<sub>y</sub>'''
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | '''Sympathy description'''
-|-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | No creatures from the same creature type.
-|-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | At least one creature from the same creature type.
-|-
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 2
-|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | Over 50% creatures from the same creature type.
 |}
-{{Math|C < M → Creatures will fight}}<br/><br/>
-{{Math|C ≥ M |<br/>1. Stack will join for free if S<sub>y</sub> + D ≥ M |<br/> 2. Stack will join for gold if S<sub>y</sub> + D + 2 ≥ M | <br/>3. Stack will fight if S<sub>y</sub> + D + 2 < M|}}<br/><br/>
-{{Math|C <nowiki>=</nowiki> S<sub>t</sub> + D + S<sub>y</sub>|<br/> C is Charisma value |<br/> S<sub>t</sub> is is strength factor |<br/> D is [[Diplomacy]] value |<br/> S<sub>y</sub> is sympathy value}}<br/><br/>
+=== Possible Creature Actions ===
+{{Math|C < M → Creatures will fight}}
+:* C is the Charisma value (see equation below)
+:* M is the Mood value (see chart on right)
+{{Math|C ≥ M  → 3 possible outcomes}}
+# Stack will join for free if S<sub>y</sub> + D ≥ M
+# Stack will join for gold if S<sub>y</sub> + D + 2 ≥ M
+# Stack will fight if S<sub>y</sub> + D + 2 < M
-{{Math|H <nowiki>=</nowiki> {{sqrt|(1 + 0,05 &times; A) &times; (1 + 0,05 &times; D)}}|<br/>H is hero strength value<br>A is [[Primary skills|attack skill]] value<br>D is [[Primary skills|defense skill]] value}}<br/><br/>
+=== Supporting Equations ===
+{{Math|C <nowiki>=</nowiki> S<sub>t</sub> + D + S<sub>y</sub>}}
+:* S<sub>t</sub> is is strength value (see table to right)
+:* D is [[Diplomacy]] value (see table to right)
+:* S<sub>y</sub> is Sympathy value (see table to right)
-{{Math|k <nowiki>=</nowiki> A<sub>TOT = H * Hero army Strength</sub> / N |<br/> A<sub>TOT</sub> is total army strength. Army strength = Hero strength value(H) * Army Strength value, which can be calculated using the links below to sum the army strength.|<br/> N is neutral army strength}}<br/><br/>
-{{Math|AI is sum of all creatures' [[AI value]]}}<br/><br/>
+{{Math|k <nowiki>=</nowiki> H &times; Hero army Strength</sub> / AI army Strength}}
-{{Math|A<sub>TOT</sub> }}
+:* H is hero strength value (see equation below)
+:* NOTE: The army strength is the sum of AI creature values.
-<!--
+{{Math|H <nowiki>=</nowiki> {{sqrt|(1 + 0.05 &times; A) &times; (1 + 0.05 &times; D)}}}}
-| style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | There are no creatures of the same kind as neutrals in hero's army. This includes upgraded creatures as well, and works in both ways for all, except for Magma/Earth, Ice/Water and Energy/Fire Elementals.
+:* A is the hero's [[Primary skills|attack skill]] value
-|-
+:* D is the hero's [[Primary skills|defense skill]] value
-| 1
-| style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | There is at least one creature of the same kind as neutrals (including upgrades as in paragraph above) in hero's army.
-|-
-| 2
-| style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | Total number of creatures of the same kind as neutrals in hero's army (including upgrades as in paragraphs above) compromises more then 50% of the army.
-!-->
 == External links ==