Editing Talk:Efreeti and Efreet Sultan

== {{hota}} Sprite for Efreet ==
In {{hota}}, the adventure map sprite for the Efreet seems to have been fixed. Someone should add the info to the article (I'd do it, but sometime later).--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 17:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== singular/plural creature names table ==
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" 
|+ style="white-space:nowrap" | ''from CRTRAITS.TXT''
|- 
! Singular !! Plural
|-
| Pikeman || Pikemen
|-
| Halberdier || Halberdiers
|-
| Archer || Archers
|-
| Marksman || Marksmen
|-
| Griffin || Griffins
|-
| Royal Griffin || Royal Griffins
|-
| Swordsman || Swordsmen
|-
| Crusader || Crusaders
|-
| Monk || Monks
|-
| Zealot || Zealots
|-
| Cavalier || Cavaliers
|-
| Champion || Champions
|-
| Angel || Angels
|-
| Archangel || Archangels
|-
| Centaur || Centaurs
|-
| Centaur Captain || Centaur Captains
|-
| Dwarf || Dwarves
|-
| Battle Dwarf || Battle Dwarves
|-
| Wood Elf || Wood Elves
|-
| Grand Elf || Grand Elves
|-
| Pegasus || Pegasi
|-
| Silver Pegasus || Silver Pegasi
|-
| Dendroid Guard || Dendroid Guards
|-
| Dendroid Soldier || Dendroid Soldiers
|-
| Unicorn || Unicorns
|-
| War Unicorn || War Unicorns
|-
| Green Dragon || Green Dragons
|-
| Gold Dragon || Gold Dragons
|-
| Gremlin || Gremlins
|-
| Master Gremlin || Master Gremlins
|-
| Stone Gargoyle || Stone Gargoyles
|-
| Obsidian Gargoyle || Obsidian Gargoyles
|-
| Stone Golem || Stone Golems
|-
| Iron Golem || Iron Golems
|-
| Mage || Magi
|-
| Arch Mage || Arch Magi
|-
| Genie || Genies
|-
| Master Genie || Master Genies
|-
| Naga || Nagas
|-
| Naga Queen || Naga Queens
|-
| Giant || Giants
|-
| Titan || Titans
|-
| Imp || Imps
|-
| Familiar || Familiars
|-
| Gog || Gogs
|-
| Magog || Magogs
|-
| Hell Hound || Hell Hounds
|-
| Cerberus || Cerberi
|-
| Demon || Demons
|-
| Horned Demon || Horned Demons
|-
| Pit Fiend || Pit Fiends
|-
| Pit Lord || Pit Lords
|-
| Efreeti || Efreet
|-
| Efreet Sultan || Efreet Sultans
|-
| Devil || Devils
|-
| Arch Devil || Arch Devils
|-
| Skeleton || Skeletons
|-
| Skeleton Warrior || Skeleton Warriors
|-
| Walking Dead || Walking Dead
|-
| Zombie || Zombies
|-
| Wight || Wights
|-
| Wraith || Wraiths
|-
| Vampire || Vampires
|-
| Vampire Lord || Vampire Lords
|-
| Lich || Liches
|-
| Power Lich || Power Liches
|-
| Black Knight || Black Knights
|-
| Dread Knight || Dread Knights
|-
| Bone Dragon || Bone Dragons
|-
| Ghost Dragon || Ghost Dragons
|-
| Troglodyte || Troglodytes
|-
| Infernal Troglodyte || Infernal Troglodytes
|-
| Harpy || Harpies
|-
| Harpy Hag || Harpy Hags
|-
| Beholder || Beholders
|-
| Evil Eye || Evil Eyes
|-
| Medusa || Medusas
|-
| Medusa Queen || Medusa Queens
|-
| Minotaur || Minotaurs
|-
| Minotaur King || Minotaur Kings
|-
| Manticore || Manticores
|-
| Scorpicore || Scorpicores
|-
| Red Dragon || Red Dragons
|-
| Black Dragon || Black Dragons
|-
| Goblin || Goblins
|-
| Hobgoblin || Hobgoblins
|-
| Wolf Rider || Wolf Riders
|-
| Wolf Raider || Wolf Raiders
|-
| Orc || Orcs
|-
| Orc Chieftain || Orc Chieftains
|-
| Ogre || Ogres
|-
| Ogre Mage || Ogre Magi
|-
| Roc || Rocs
|-
| Thunderbird || Thunderbirds
|-
| Cyclops || Cyclopes
|-
| Cyclops King || Cyclops Kings
|-
| Behemoth || Behemoths
|-
| Ancient Behemoth || Ancient Behemoths
|-
| Gnoll || Gnolls
|-
| Gnoll Marauder || Gnoll Marauders
|-
| Lizardman || Lizardmen
|-
| Lizard Warrior || Lizard Warriors
|-
| Gorgon || Gorgons
|-
| Mighty Gorgon || Mighty Gorgons
|-
| Serpent Fly || Serpent Flies
|-
| Dragon Fly || Dragon Flies
|-
| Basilisk || Basilisks
|-
| Greater Basilisk || Greater Basilisks
|-
| Wyvern || Wyverns
|-
| Wyvern Monarch || Wyvern Monarchs
|-
| Hydra || Hydras
|-
| Chaos Hydra || Chaos Hydras
|-
| Air Elemental || Air Elementals
|-
| Earth Elemental || Earth Elementals
|-
| Fire Elemental || Fire Elementals
|-
| Water Elemental || Water Elementals
|-
| Gold Golem || Gold Golems
|-
| Diamond Golem || Diamond Golems
|-
| Pixie || Pixies
|-
| Sprite || Sprites
|-
| Psychic Elemental || Psychic Elementals
|-
| Magic Elemental || Magic Elementals
|-
| Ice Elemental || Ice Elementals
|-
| Magma Elemental || Magma Elementals
|-
| Storm Elemental || Storm Elementals
|-
| Energy Elemental || Energy Elementals
|-
| Firebird || Firebirds
|-
| Phoenix || Phoenixes
|-
| Azure Dragon || Azure Dragons
|-
| Crystal Dragon || Crystal Dragons
|-
| Faerie Dragon || Faerie Dragons
|-
| Rust Dragon || Rust Dragons
|-
| Enchanter || Enchanters
|-
| Sharpshooter || Sharpshooters
|-
| Halfling || Halflings
|-
| Peasant || Peasants
|-
| Boar || Boars
|-
| Mummy || Mummies
|-
| Nomad || Nomads
|-
| Rogue || Rogues
|-
| Troll || Trolls
|-
| Catapult || Catapults
|-
| Ballista || Ballistas
|-
| First Aid Tent || First Aid Tents
|-
| Ammo Cart || Ammo Carts
|-
| Arrow Tower || Arrow Towers
|}

== "Note, that Efreeti is singular while plural phrasing is Efreet in game." ==
i promised to use my reading skills more often and look what did it do to me.

efreeti/efreet spelling seems to be the peculiar/interesting/wild DnD tradition:

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Efreeti

i traced the source back to 1993 [https://en.calameo.com/read/000000019bbda177554aa DnD Monster Manual], which is more than enough for us.

all the in-game spelling seems to follow this rule (mostly).

efreeT:
*[[Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_98]] - plural ('Efreet and Efreet Sultans')
*as a race (Rashka, Octavia, Xyron, Zydar) - singular
*[[Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_114]] - plural ('damage to efreet')
*[[Rumor]] - plural (Efreet are unaffected by spells of Fire Magic)
*HeroSpec.txt specialty name - plural (or it will be the only singular among Demons, Dragons, Elves and so on from other creature specialties)
*CRTRAITS.TXT - plural: 1 - Efreeti/Efreet; 2 - 'Hates Efreet' (in comparison to 'Hates Genies')

efreeTI:
*[[Armageddon's Blade Manual Page 10]] Xeron's race - singular (Male Efreeti)
*HEROBIOS.TXT Xeron's bio - singular ('Xyron seems to like fire even more than anyone would expect of an Efreeti')

since im still not comfortable enough in the new efreeti/efreet reality, im not sure what we have to do with all this, but seems like some fixes should be done --[[User:GroundhogYear|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
:So we need to move this page to <nowiki>[[Efreeti and Efreeti Sultan]]</nowiki>. [[File:Hero Stormblessed small.gif|→ima|link=user:imahero]] 18:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
::ure still trying to deny what's happening here too. i understand that. Efreeti and Efreet, but Efreet Sultan and Efreet Sultans. --[[User:GroundhogYear|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear|talk]]) 21:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
:::I vote we treat efreet like foot/feet. 1 efroot, 2 efreet. [[File:Hero Stormblessed small.gif|→ima|link=user:imahero]] 01:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
::::I'm guessing the [[Capitalization Reference|changing of creatures to lower case]] is likely more of a trigger for most people (than going from efreet to efreeti). [[File:Hero Rashka small.gif|→ima|link=user:imahero]] 03:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)