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== Discussion ==
== {{hota}} Sprite for Efreet ==
Efreeti are among the game's most dangerous creatures. Whereas they can be [[slowed]] to be targeted by [[Ranged attackers]], they are formidable offensive units. Being able to fly at a relatively high speed, in addition to the devastating fire shield and immunity to [[Blind]] makes these some of the most formidable 6th level creatures in Heroes III.
In {{hota}}, the adventure map sprite for the Efreet seems to have been fixed. Someone should add the info to the article (I'd do it, but sometime later).--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 17:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 
== singular/plural creature names table ==
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ style="white-space:nowrap" | ''from CRTRAITS.TXT''
|-
! Singular !! Plural
|-
| Pikeman || Pikemen
|-
| Halberdier || Halberdiers
|-
| Archer || Archers
|-
| Marksman || Marksmen
|-
| Griffin || Griffins
|-
| Royal Griffin || Royal Griffins
|-
| Swordsman || Swordsmen
|-
| Crusader || Crusaders
|-
| Monk || Monks
|-
| Zealot || Zealots
|-
| Cavalier || Cavaliers
|-
| Champion || Champions
|-
| Angel || Angels
|-
| Archangel || Archangels
|-
| Centaur || Centaurs
|-
| Centaur Captain || Centaur Captains
|-
| Dwarf || Dwarves
|-
| Battle Dwarf || Battle Dwarves
|-
| Wood Elf || Wood Elves
|-
| Grand Elf || Grand Elves
|-
| Pegasus || Pegasi
|-
| Silver Pegasus || Silver Pegasi
|-
| Dendroid Guard || Dendroid Guards
|-
| Dendroid Soldier || Dendroid Soldiers
|-
| Unicorn || Unicorns
|-
| War Unicorn || War Unicorns
|-
| Green Dragon || Green Dragons
|-
| Gold Dragon || Gold Dragons
|-
| Gremlin || Gremlins
|-
| Master Gremlin || Master Gremlins
|-
| Stone Gargoyle || Stone Gargoyles
|-
| Obsidian Gargoyle || Obsidian Gargoyles
|-
| Stone Golem || Stone Golems
|-
| Iron Golem || Iron Golems
|-
| Mage || Magi
|-
| Arch Mage || Arch Magi
|-
| Genie || Genies
|-
| Master Genie || Master Genies
|-
| Naga || Nagas
|-
| Naga Queen || Naga Queens
|-
| Giant || Giants
|-
| Titan || Titans
|-
| Imp || Imps
|-
| Familiar || Familiars
|-
| Gog || Gogs
|-
| Magog || Magogs
|-
| Hell Hound || Hell Hounds
|-
| Cerberus || Cerberi
|-
| Demon || Demons
|-
| Horned Demon || Horned Demons
|-
| Pit Fiend || Pit Fiends
|-
| Pit Lord || Pit Lords
|-
| Efreeti || Efreet
|-
| Efreet Sultan || Efreet Sultans
|-
| Devil || Devils
|-
| Arch Devil || Arch Devils
|-
| Skeleton || Skeletons
|-
| Skeleton Warrior || Skeleton Warriors
|-
| Walking Dead || Walking Dead
|-
| Zombie || Zombies
|-
| Wight || Wights
|-
| Wraith || Wraiths
|-
| Vampire || Vampires
|-
| Vampire Lord || Vampire Lords
|-
| Lich || Liches
|-
| Power Lich || Power Liches
|-
| Black Knight || Black Knights
|-
| Dread Knight || Dread Knights
|-
| Bone Dragon || Bone Dragons
|-
| Ghost Dragon || Ghost Dragons
|-
| Troglodyte || Troglodytes
|-
| Infernal Troglodyte || Infernal Troglodytes
|-
| Harpy || Harpies
|-
| Harpy Hag || Harpy Hags
|-
| Beholder || Beholders
|-
| Evil Eye || Evil Eyes
|-
| Medusa || Medusas
|-
| Medusa Queen || Medusa Queens
|-
| Minotaur || Minotaurs
|-
| Minotaur King || Minotaur Kings
|-
| Manticore || Manticores
|-
| Scorpicore || Scorpicores
|-
| Red Dragon || Red Dragons
|-
| Black Dragon || Black Dragons
|-
| Goblin || Goblins
|-
| Hobgoblin || Hobgoblins
|-
| Wolf Rider || Wolf Riders
|-
| Wolf Raider || Wolf Raiders
|-
| Orc || Orcs
|-
| Orc Chieftain || Orc Chieftains
|-
| Ogre || Ogres
|-
| Ogre Mage || Ogre Magi
|-
| Roc || Rocs
|-
| Thunderbird || Thunderbirds
|-
| Cyclops || Cyclopes
|-
| Cyclops King || Cyclops Kings
|-
| Behemoth || Behemoths
|-
| Ancient Behemoth || Ancient Behemoths
|-
| Gnoll || Gnolls
|-
| Gnoll Marauder || Gnoll Marauders
|-
| Lizardman || Lizardmen
|-
| Lizard Warrior || Lizard Warriors
|-
| Gorgon || Gorgons
|-
| Mighty Gorgon || Mighty Gorgons
|-
| Serpent Fly || Serpent Flies
|-
| Dragon Fly || Dragon Flies
|-
| Basilisk || Basilisks
|-
| Greater Basilisk || Greater Basilisks
|-
| Wyvern || Wyverns
|-
| Wyvern Monarch || Wyvern Monarchs
|-
| Hydra || Hydras
|-
| Chaos Hydra || Chaos Hydras
|-
| Air Elemental || Air Elementals
|-
| Earth Elemental || Earth Elementals
|-
| Fire Elemental || Fire Elementals
|-
| Water Elemental || Water Elementals
|-
| Gold Golem || Gold Golems
|-
| Diamond Golem || Diamond Golems
|-
| Pixie || Pixies
|-
| Sprite || Sprites
|-
| Psychic Elemental || Psychic Elementals
|-
| Magic Elemental || Magic Elementals
|-
| Ice Elemental || Ice Elementals
|-
| Magma Elemental || Magma Elementals
|-
| Storm Elemental || Storm Elementals
|-
| Energy Elemental || Energy Elementals
|-
| Firebird || Firebirds
|-
| Phoenix || Phoenixes
|-
| Azure Dragon || Azure Dragons
|-
| Crystal Dragon || Crystal Dragons
|-
| Faerie Dragon || Faerie Dragons
|-
| Rust Dragon || Rust Dragons
|-
| Enchanter || Enchanters
|-
| Sharpshooter || Sharpshooters
|-
| Halfling || Halflings
|-
| Peasant || Peasants
|-
| Boar || Boars
|-
| Mummy || Mummies
|-
| Nomad || Nomads
|-
| Rogue || Rogues
|-
| Troll || Trolls
|-
| Catapult || Catapults
|-
| Ballista || Ballistas
|-
| First Aid Tent || First Aid Tents
|-
| Ammo Cart || Ammo Carts
|-
| Arrow Tower || Arrow Towers
|}
 
== "Note, that Efreeti is singular while plural phrasing is Efreet in game." ==
i promised to use my reading skills more often and look what did it do to me.


'''Tip:''' If your hero has slow, it should be utilized on Efreet. Past that, you should try and soften or kill them with [[direct damage spells]] or ranged attackers, because the fire shield can inflict heavy losses, even to [[creature stacks]] far stronger.
efreeti/efreet spelling seems to be the peculiar/interesting/wild DnD tradition:


== {{hota}} Sprite for Efreet ==
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Efreeti
In {{hota}}, the adventure map sprite for the Efreet seems to have been fixed. Someone should add the info to the article (I'd do it, but sometime later).--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 17:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 
i traced the source back to 1993 [https://en.calameo.com/read/000000019bbda177554aa DnD Monster Manual], which is more than enough for us.
 
all the in-game spelling seems to follow this rule (mostly).
 
efreeT:
*[[Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_98]] - plural ('Efreet and Efreet Sultans')
*as a race (Rashka, Octavia, Xyron, Zydar) - singular
*[[Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_114]] - plural ('damage to efreet')
*[[Rumor]] - plural (Efreet are unaffected by spells of Fire Magic)
*HeroSpec.txt specialty name - plural (or it will be the only singular among Demons, Dragons, Elves and so on from other creature specialties)
*CRTRAITS.TXT - plural: 1 - Efreeti/Efreet; 2 - 'Hates Efreet' (in comparison to 'Hates Genies')
 
efreeTI:
*[[Armageddon's Blade Manual Page 10]] Xeron's race - singular (Male Efreeti)
*HEROBIOS.TXT Xyron's bio - singular ('Xyron seems to like fire even more than anyone would expect of an Efreeti')
 
since im still not comfortable enough in the new efreeti/efreet reality, im not sure what we have to do with all this, but seems like some fixes should be done --[[User:GroundhogYear|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
:So we need to move this page to <nowiki>[[Efreeti and Efreeti Sultan]]</nowiki>. [[File:Hero Stormblessed small.gif|→ima|link=user:imahero]] 18:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
::ure still trying to deny what's happening here too. i understand that. Efreeti and Efreet, but Efreet Sultan and Efreet Sultans. --[[User:GroundhogYear|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear|talk]]) 21:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
:::I vote we treat efreet like foot/feet. 1 efroot, 2 efreet. [[File:Hero Stormblessed small.gif|→ima|link=user:imahero]] 01:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
::::I'm guessing the [[Capitalization Reference|changing of creatures to lower case]] is likely more of a trigger for most people (than going from efreet to efreeti). [[File:Hero Rashka small.gif|→ima|link=user:imahero]] 03:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 07:38, 19 May 2021

Horn of the Abyss Sprite for Efreet[edit]

In Horn of the Abyss, the adventure map sprite for the Efreet seems to have been fixed. Someone should add the info to the article (I'd do it, but sometime later).--FirePaladin2 (talk) 17:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

singular/plural creature names table[edit]

from CRTRAITS.TXT
Singular Plural
Pikeman Pikemen
Halberdier Halberdiers
Archer Archers
Marksman Marksmen
Griffin Griffins
Royal Griffin Royal Griffins
Swordsman Swordsmen
Crusader Crusaders
Monk Monks
Zealot Zealots
Cavalier Cavaliers
Champion Champions
Angel Angels
Archangel Archangels
Centaur Centaurs
Centaur Captain Centaur Captains
Dwarf Dwarves
Battle Dwarf Battle Dwarves
Wood Elf Wood Elves
Grand Elf Grand Elves
Pegasus Pegasi
Silver Pegasus Silver Pegasi
Dendroid Guard Dendroid Guards
Dendroid Soldier Dendroid Soldiers
Unicorn Unicorns
War Unicorn War Unicorns
Green Dragon Green Dragons
Gold Dragon Gold Dragons
Gremlin Gremlins
Master Gremlin Master Gremlins
Stone Gargoyle Stone Gargoyles
Obsidian Gargoyle Obsidian Gargoyles
Stone Golem Stone Golems
Iron Golem Iron Golems
Mage Magi
Arch Mage Arch Magi
Genie Genies
Master Genie Master Genies
Naga Nagas
Naga Queen Naga Queens
Giant Giants
Titan Titans
Imp Imps
Familiar Familiars
Gog Gogs
Magog Magogs
Hell Hound Hell Hounds
Cerberus Cerberi
Demon Demons
Horned Demon Horned Demons
Pit Fiend Pit Fiends
Pit Lord Pit Lords
Efreeti Efreet
Efreet Sultan Efreet Sultans
Devil Devils
Arch Devil Arch Devils
Skeleton Skeletons
Skeleton Warrior Skeleton Warriors
Walking Dead Walking Dead
Zombie Zombies
Wight Wights
Wraith Wraiths
Vampire Vampires
Vampire Lord Vampire Lords
Lich Liches
Power Lich Power Liches
Black Knight Black Knights
Dread Knight Dread Knights
Bone Dragon Bone Dragons
Ghost Dragon Ghost Dragons
Troglodyte Troglodytes
Infernal Troglodyte Infernal Troglodytes
Harpy Harpies
Harpy Hag Harpy Hags
Beholder Beholders
Evil Eye Evil Eyes
Medusa Medusas
Medusa Queen Medusa Queens
Minotaur Minotaurs
Minotaur King Minotaur Kings
Manticore Manticores
Scorpicore Scorpicores
Red Dragon Red Dragons
Black Dragon Black Dragons
Goblin Goblins
Hobgoblin Hobgoblins
Wolf Rider Wolf Riders
Wolf Raider Wolf Raiders
Orc Orcs
Orc Chieftain Orc Chieftains
Ogre Ogres
Ogre Mage Ogre Magi
Roc Rocs
Thunderbird Thunderbirds
Cyclops Cyclopes
Cyclops King Cyclops Kings
Behemoth Behemoths
Ancient Behemoth Ancient Behemoths
Gnoll Gnolls
Gnoll Marauder Gnoll Marauders
Lizardman Lizardmen
Lizard Warrior Lizard Warriors
Gorgon Gorgons
Mighty Gorgon Mighty Gorgons
Serpent Fly Serpent Flies
Dragon Fly Dragon Flies
Basilisk Basilisks
Greater Basilisk Greater Basilisks
Wyvern Wyverns
Wyvern Monarch Wyvern Monarchs
Hydra Hydras
Chaos Hydra Chaos Hydras
Air Elemental Air Elementals
Earth Elemental Earth Elementals
Fire Elemental Fire Elementals
Water Elemental Water Elementals
Gold Golem Gold Golems
Diamond Golem Diamond Golems
Pixie Pixies
Sprite Sprites
Psychic Elemental Psychic Elementals
Magic Elemental Magic Elementals
Ice Elemental Ice Elementals
Magma Elemental Magma Elementals
Storm Elemental Storm Elementals
Energy Elemental Energy Elementals
Firebird Firebirds
Phoenix Phoenixes
Azure Dragon Azure Dragons
Crystal Dragon Crystal Dragons
Faerie Dragon Faerie Dragons
Rust Dragon Rust Dragons
Enchanter Enchanters
Sharpshooter Sharpshooters
Halfling Halflings
Peasant Peasants
Boar Boars
Mummy Mummies
Nomad Nomads
Rogue Rogues
Troll Trolls
Catapult Catapults
Ballista Ballistas
First Aid Tent First Aid Tents
Ammo Cart Ammo Carts
Arrow Tower Arrow Towers

"Note, that Efreeti is singular while plural phrasing is Efreet in game."[edit]

i promised to use my reading skills more often and look what did it do to me.

efreeti/efreet spelling seems to be the peculiar/interesting/wild DnD tradition:

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Efreeti

i traced the source back to 1993 DnD Monster Manual, which is more than enough for us.

all the in-game spelling seems to follow this rule (mostly).

efreeT:

  • Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_98 - plural ('Efreet and Efreet Sultans')
  • as a race (Rashka, Octavia, Xyron, Zydar) - singular
  • Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_114 - plural ('damage to efreet')
  • Rumor - plural (Efreet are unaffected by spells of Fire Magic)
  • HeroSpec.txt specialty name - plural (or it will be the only singular among Demons, Dragons, Elves and so on from other creature specialties)
  • CRTRAITS.TXT - plural: 1 - Efreeti/Efreet; 2 - 'Hates Efreet' (in comparison to 'Hates Genies')

efreeTI:

  • Armageddon's Blade Manual Page 10 Xeron's race - singular (Male Efreeti)
  • HEROBIOS.TXT Xyron's bio - singular ('Xyron seems to like fire even more than anyone would expect of an Efreeti')

since im still not comfortable enough in the new efreeti/efreet reality, im not sure what we have to do with all this, but seems like some fixes should be done --GroundhogYear (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

So we need to move this page to [[Efreeti and Efreeti Sultan]]. →ima 18:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
ure still trying to deny what's happening here too. i understand that. Efreeti and Efreet, but Efreet Sultan and Efreet Sultans. --GroundhogYear (talk) 21:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I vote we treat efreet like foot/feet. 1 efroot, 2 efreet. →ima 01:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm guessing the changing of creatures to lower case is likely more of a trigger for most people (than going from efreet to efreeti). →ima 03:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)