Talk:Devil and Arch Devil - Revision history

Imahero: put this back

2021-05-19T07:33:42Z

put this back

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	== speed correction ==		== speed correction ==
	Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.		Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.

			== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ==
			While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)
			:I think it would have been okay, if not for the somewhat non-neutral point of view. As long as it's kept faithful to the subject and gives useful information, without personal opinion, such a section should be allowed to exist for creatures.--[[User:FirePaladin2\|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2\|talk]]) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
			::opinion is the path to the dark side. opinion leads to opposing opinion. opposing opinion leads to hate. hate leads to edit war. --[[User:GroundhogYear\|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear\|talk]]) 05:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Imahero: Replaced content with "== speed correction == Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere."

2021-05-18T11:20:31Z

Replaced content with "== speed correction == Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere."

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	~~== Discussion ==~~

	~~=== Size ===~~
	A thing of note is that Arch Devil, along with the Titan, is one of the only 1-hex tier 7 units. It comes useful when the enemy cheeses his shooters behind obstacles or force fields. Titan's size, in turn, makes the said cheese easier.

	~~=== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ===~~
	While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)
	:I think it would have been okay, if not for the somewhat non-neutral point of view. As long as it's kept faithful to the subject and gives useful information, without personal opinion, such a section should be allowed to exist for creatures.--[[User:FirePaladin2\|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2\|talk]]) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
	::opinion is the path to the dark side. opinion leads to opposing opinion. opposing opinion leads to hate. hate leads to edit war. --[[User:GroundhogYear\|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear\|talk]]) 05:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

	~~=== Black Dragon versus Arch Devil ===~~

	The Arch Devil strangely is more expensive than the Black Dragon, at 4500+2M versus 4000+2S for the BD. The Black Dragon has 50% more health, spell immunity, a 2 hex attack, and a higher median damage (45 versus 35). The Arch Devil has the no retaliation (which makes it somewhat like a ranged unit with running), a -1 to luck special, +2 speed, and a delta 4 advantage in A/D. 500 more for an Arch Devil? The cost difference seems difficult to justify. Which unit has a better value to the army? Counter arguing, Black Dragons have that cool spell immunity, but that also means that can't be shielded/stone skinned/blessed or what-have-you, whereas Arch-Devils can. I think both pros and cons nullify each other for the low level spells. However, the real difference is in the 3, 4, and 5 level damage spells. Those hit points, which by the way you are paying a lot of gold for, can be dwindled down quite drastically with those damage spells with a decent spell power, devastating that enormous investment. To add to the matter, Arch Devils have the least hit points of any upgraded level 7 unit, tied equal with the lowly Ghost Dragons, and the growth-boosted Phoenixes, both of which which cost at least 1,500 less gold than the Arch Devil. Henceforth, is the Arch Devil over-priced for the value that it brings to the army, the question can be asked? In particular, is the Arch Devil worth more gold than the Black Dragon? It's close. The ultimate counter argument to the Arch Devil, its lower hit points, and its high cost, is it is easier raising by Sacrifice or Resurrection.

	== speed correction ==		== speed correction ==
	Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.		Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.

GroundhogYear: /* Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison */

2020-04-28T05:17:51Z

Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison

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	While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)		While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)
	:I think it would have been okay, if not for the somewhat non-neutral point of view. As long as it's kept faithful to the subject and gives useful information, without personal opinion, such a section should be allowed to exist for creatures.--[[User:FirePaladin2\|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2\|talk]]) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)		:I think it would have been okay, if not for the somewhat non-neutral point of view. As long as it's kept faithful to the subject and gives useful information, without personal opinion, such a section should be allowed to exist for creatures.--[[User:FirePaladin2\|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2\|talk]]) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
			::opinion is the path to the dark side. opinion leads to opposing opinion. opposing opinion leads to hate. hate leads to edit war. --[[User:GroundhogYear\|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear\|talk]]) 05:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

	=== Black Dragon versus Arch Devil ===		=== Black Dragon versus Arch Devil ===

FirePaladin2 at 10:05, 22 April 2020

2020-04-22T10:05:24Z

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	=== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ===		=== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ===
	While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)		While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)
			:I think it would have been okay, if not for the somewhat non-neutral point of view. As long as it's kept faithful to the subject and gives useful information, without personal opinion, such a section should be allowed to exist for creatures.--[[User:FirePaladin2\|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2\|talk]]) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

	=== Black Dragon versus Arch Devil ===		=== Black Dragon versus Arch Devil ===

77.40.62.165 at 12:25, 23 July 2018

2018-07-23T12:25:34Z

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	== Discussion ==		== Discussion ==

			=== Size ===
			A thing of note is that Arch Devil, along with the Titan, is one of the only 1-hex tier 7 units. It comes useful when the enemy cheeses his shooters behind obstacles or force fields. Titan's size, in turn, makes the said cheese easier.

	=== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ===		=== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ===

Imahero at 20:08, 29 March 2018

2018-03-29T20:08:50Z

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	~~Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.~~		== Discussion ==

	== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ==		=== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ===
	While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)		While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)

			=== Black Dragon versus Arch Devil ===

			The Arch Devil strangely is more expensive than the Black Dragon, at 4500+2M versus 4000+2S for the BD. The Black Dragon has 50% more health, spell immunity, a 2 hex attack, and a higher median damage (45 versus 35). The Arch Devil has the no retaliation (which makes it somewhat like a ranged unit with running), a -1 to luck special, +2 speed, and a delta 4 advantage in A/D. 500 more for an Arch Devil? The cost difference seems difficult to justify. Which unit has a better value to the army? Counter arguing, Black Dragons have that cool spell immunity, but that also means that can't be shielded/stone skinned/blessed or what-have-you, whereas Arch-Devils can. I think both pros and cons nullify each other for the low level spells. However, the real difference is in the 3, 4, and 5 level damage spells. Those hit points, which by the way you are paying a lot of gold for, can be dwindled down quite drastically with those damage spells with a decent spell power, devastating that enormous investment. To add to the matter, Arch Devils have the least hit points of any upgraded level 7 unit, tied equal with the lowly Ghost Dragons, and the growth-boosted Phoenixes, both of which which cost at least 1,500 less gold than the Arch Devil. Henceforth, is the Arch Devil over-priced for the value that it brings to the army, the question can be asked? In particular, is the Arch Devil worth more gold than the Black Dragon? It's close. The ultimate counter argument to the Arch Devil, its lower hit points, and its high cost, is it is easier raising by Sacrifice or Resurrection.

			== speed correction ==
			Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.

Kapteeni Ruoska at 05:47, 11 December 2015

2015-12-11T05:47:30Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:47, 11 December 2015
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	Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.		Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.

			== Arch Devil vs. Black Dragon comparison ==
			While the text has some good points, it is hardly reasonable to make seemingly random comparison to other 7th level units. Secondly, while little discussion is in order, this is an encyclopedia which main goal is to give facts and infromation, not to discuss about strategy or to write about opinnions. And finally, and I am sorry to say this, the text is not that well written. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 06:47, 11 December 2015 (CET)

Kapteeni Ruoska: moved Talk:Devil and arch devil to Talk:Devil and Arch Devil

2014-03-30T20:00:56Z

moved Talk:Devil and arch devil to Talk:Devil and Arch Devil

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Kapteeni Ruoska: moved Talk:Devil to Talk:Devil and arch devil

2013-11-27T08:08:53Z

moved Talk:Devil to Talk:Devil and arch devil

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81.166.178.16: New page: Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.

2009-04-05T01:35:55Z

New page: Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.

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Correction made concerning the Devils' movement speed. They cannot teleport anywhere.