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'''Terrain''' typically refers to one of the eight basic land types, which are grass, dirt, lava, subterranean, rough, sand, snow or swamp. Water and rock may also be considered as one of the basic terrains, although they cannot be traveled on by ordinary means. Traveling on water requires a [[boat]], while rock is impassable.
== Discord ==


== Basic terrains ==
Was thinking of having a more interactive channel than this page that I forget to check often enough, set up a discord channel at https://discord.gg/4XuzYKx - any interest?
{| border=1px grey; cellspacing=0; cellpadding=4px; width=980px; style="background-color:blanchedalmond;"
 
| colspan=4 style="color:white; text-align:center; background-color:darkred; font-size:16px;"|'''Basic Terrains'''
--[[User:Terra|Terrasque]] ([[User talk:Terra|talk]]) 08:01, 21 February 2018 (CET)
|- bgcolor=#e79256
 
! style="text-align:left;" width=120px|<big>Terrain</big>
:: Cool! Added it to the [[Main Page|main page]].
! style="text-align:left;"| <big>Image
:: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 08:53, 21 February 2018 (CET)
! style="text-align:left;"| <big>Description
 
! width=120px|<big>Movement cost</big><br><small>(comparing to grass)</small>
== Images ==
|-
 
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Grass'''
Some images have been messed up on the server.<br>
| [[File:Grass (h).gif|border]]
[[File:Specialty_Archers.png]]
| Grass is the [[native terrain]] for [[Castle]], [[Rampart]] and [[Conflux]].
[[File:Specialty_Archery.png]]
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[[File:Specialty_Beholders.png]]
|-  
[[File:Specialty_Bless.png]]
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Highlands'''{{-}}{{withhota}}
[[File:Hero_Adela.png]]
| [[File:Highlands (h).gif|border]]
[[File:Hero_Ajit.png]]
| Replaces grass as the [[native terrain]] for [[Conflux]] in {{hota}}. Grass remains the [[native terrain]] for both [[Castle]] and [[Rampart]].
<br>And many more in the same fashion. Any idea what's going on?
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<br>--[[user:imahero|imahero]] 08:59, 26 January 2018 (CET)
|-
 
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Dirt'''
:: I fixed all the ones you originally uploaded. Hopefully that was the extent of the damage. Look at the revision history of the above images to see what they looked like.
| [[File:Dirt (h).gif|border]]
:: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 02:16, 30 January 2018 (CET)
| Dirt is the [[native terrain]] for [[Necropolis]] and [[Neutral]] alignment troops, but neutral units do not acquire native terrain bonuses in battle.  
 
| style="text-align:center;"|100%
::: Can't see any issues with the old one, maybe some browser thing. New pictures certainly work, so all's good :)
|-
::: [[User:Terra|Terrasque]] ([[User talk:Terra|talk]]) 08:00, 21 February 2018 (CET)
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Lava'''
 
| [[File:Lava (h).gif|border]]
== Main Page ==
| Lava is the [[native terrain]] for [[Inferno]].
 
| style="text-align:center;"|100%
Would you mind updating the main page with my [[User:imahero/Proposals/Conservative Main Page|proposal]] again?
|-
<br>--[[user:imahero|imahero]] 15:13, 9 January 2018 (CET)
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Subterranean'''
 
| [[File:Subterranean (h).gif|border]]
:For what my opinion is worth, I do not think that these unofficial towns are necessary for this wiki. Personally I would like that we would concentrate on the original {{homm}} {{roe}} and the official expansion {{ab}} and {{sod}}. I believe [[User:Ibraesil|Ibraesil]] feels about the same. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska|talk]]) 13:54, 11 January 2018 (CET)
| Subterranean is the [[native terrain]] for [[Dungeon]]. It is usually found on the underground [[layer]].<br>It is the only combat terrain for the underground layer (fixed in {{hota}}{{-}}{{withhota}}).<br>Also it is a combat terrain for [[gold mine|gold]], [[crystal cavern|crystal]] and [[abandoned mine]]s.
 
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:: Which do you prefer [[User:Terra|Terra]]? The [[User:imahero/Proposals/Conservative Main Page|proposal with unofficial towns]] or the [[User:imahero/Proposals/Purist Main Page|one without]]? How about [[User:imahero/Proposals/Cove Main Page|one with only Cove]]? This is what I would personally choose. Also what is your opinion on having [[Cove]] in the sidebars throughout the site? I believe that {{hota}} is a worthy successor to {{sod}}.
|-
:: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 16:35, 11 January 2018 (CET)
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Rock'''
 
| [[File:Rock (h).gif|border]]
::: Well I kinda like the one with all of them, makes people curious and start exploring. I don't know the current state of WoG tho, if that's buggy / substandard it might be best to leave it out from the list. But if that's still good I prefer the one with all :) Lets us have a space for potential other ones in the future. Also, considering unlocking the front page. We generally don't have much vandalism these days
| Impassable even with [[Fly|flying]] - can be travelled through with [[Dimension Door]].
::: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]] ([[User talk:Terra|talk]]) 20:26, 11 January 2018 (CET)
<br>Typically found in [[Layer|underground]] areas.
 
| style="text-align:center;"|
:::: Awesome! So you're OK with [[Cove]] on the sidebars throughout the site? It greatly increases usability of the site for those of us playing with HotA and I honestly don't think it should impact those playing SoD (in the same way those playing RoE wouldn't really be affected by having a [[Conflux]] link for those playing AB or SoD).
|-  
:::: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 20:28, 11 January 2018 (CET)
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Rough'''
 
| [[File:Rough (h).gif|border]]
:::::I am not entirely aware what [[user:imahero|imahero's]] intentions are, but as I understood it he/she wishes to mix fanbased mod information with the original data. [[user:imahero|imahero]], am I correct? To me this seems illogical and confusing for everyone, because where do we draw the line after that. How do we separate what information is worthy and what is unworthy to add to this wiki? Now the "rules" are clear, the main wiki contains information only from the official game and perhaps a few anekdotes around it. And if we crosslink these different information sources then it quickly becomes unclear what features are available in each different version of the game and all its mods. In summary, my biggest fear is, that the wiki becomes a web of pointless information about some nonsense mods. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska|talk]]) 06:15, 12 January 2018 (CET) 
| Rough is the [[native terrain]] for [[Stronghold]].
 
| style="text-align:center;"|125%
:::::: Nah. Like I said before. Just links to [[Cove]] in the sidebar to increase usability for those of us playing with HotA. No other mod comes anywhere close to the level of HotA.
|-
:::::: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 06:34, 12 January 2018 (CET)
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Wasteland''' {{withhota}}
 
| [[File:Wasteland (h).gif|border]]
:::::::Because you develop it? ;) I admit that I am not too familiar with HotA, but to me it seems difficult to draw a line between different mods. Next week some a new user comes along and starts to write about WoG or some other. I just think there are other places and platforms to deal with these mods than this wiki. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska|talk]]) 07:25, 12 January 2018 (CET)  
| Rough is not a [[native terrain]] for any faction.  
 
| style="text-align:center;"|125%
:::::::: Haha. No.
|-
:::::::: I don't think a link back to [[Cove]] is asking too much. Some people ban [[Conflux]]. Should we remove it from the sidebar too? [[Horn of the Abyss]] does more for the game than both of the two official expansions combined.
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Sand'''
:::::::: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 07:30, 12 January 2018 (CET)
| [[File:Sand (h).gif|border]]
 
| Sand is not a [[native terrain]] for any faction.     <br>Armies with at least one [[nomad]] ignore the [[Terrain Penalties|terrain penalty]].     <br>Sand is a combat terrain for all tiles next to water.
::::::::: We should have information on noteworthy unofficial stuff - noteworthy being somewhat subjective - but it should be clearly marked and separated from information about the official game. So on it's own pages, not mixed into pages about official information. "Official" pages can hold references to it, as long as it's marked as unofficial content and it makes sense to link to it. Also, we should try not to play favorites :) So for sidebar, if it's in it's own "Unofficial" section and also refers to WoG one.
| style="text-align:center;"|150%
::::::::: The reason I want noteworthy / good unofficial addons listed is because they add significantly to the game, and active players / fans should know that they exist and what they are. But at the same time clearly have them separate from the official game.
|-
::::::::: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]] ([[User talk:Terra|talk]]) 08:30, 12 January 2018 (CET)
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Snow'''
 
| [[File:Snow (h).gif|border]]
:::::::::: Awesome! So you're going to [[User:imahero/Proposals/Conservative Main Page|update the main page]] right? Or are you going to set it as unprotected?
| Snow is the [[native terrain]] for [[Tower]].
:::::::::: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 20:03, 12 January 2018 (CET)
| style="text-align:center;"|150%
 
|-  
== [[Proposals]] ==
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Swamp'''
 
| [[File:Swamp (h).gif|border]]
This is my proposed update to the main page: [[User:imahero/Proposals/Conservative Main Page|Conservative Main Page]]. <br>
| Swamp is the [[native terrain]] for [[Fortress]] and [[Cove]]{{-}}{{withhota}}.
--[[User:imahero|imahero]] 23:45, 16 September 2016 (CEST)
| style="text-align:center;"|175%
 
|-
: But why? What's the goal of changing it?
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Water'''
: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]]
| [[File:Water (h).gif]]<br>[[File:Water (h).gif]]<br>[[File:Water (h).gif]]<br>
 
| Can only be traveled on with a [[boat]].     <br>Can be traveled over with [[Water Walk]] and [[Fly]] spells, or by wearing [[Boots of Levitation]] or [[Angel Wings]] – hero's movement must end on dry land.    <br>It should be noted that [[Cover of Darkness (Adventure Map)|shroud]] on the water between two squares of dry land does not prevent hero from walking or flying across it and mapping the shrouded area. However, the hero must be able to see both land squares before starting the trip.     <br>Almost all adventure map objects that are normally placed on dry land can be also be placed on water square and still function normally. The exceptions are [[Town]]s, [[Subterranean Gate]]s and [[Monoliths]], which can not function if visited with a boat.    <br>The [[speed]] of the creatures in the hero's army does not affect movement in a boat.
:: Much more concise and easier for new users to navigate. Also I don't like how the unofficial towns are listed right along with the official ones.
| style="text-align:center;"|
:: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 15:25, 31 October 2016 (CET)
|}
 
::: Have you given this any further thought? Are there any additional changes you'd like me to make to it?
::: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 00:42, 23 November 2016 (CET)
 
:::: Ah damn.. Sorry, thought I had replied here. I see it's simpler, but I don't see it being better than what's now. The current page immediately let you jump to something central and familiar - the towns, and lets you explore the wiki from there. I think that's a great start spot if you're not already looking for something specific. And having things like the Forge there directly is an eye catcher and prods people's curiosity. Maybe someone realize they don't know quite as much as they thought about the game, and start reading. There might be things to improve on the front page, but I think those belong there and have a purpose.
:::: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]] 22:19, 25 November 2016 (CET)
 
::::: OK. I've adjusted the proposal according to your guidance. I've only fixed links and made things more consistent rather than removing anything. Is it ready now, or are there any other changes I need to make?
::::: --[[user:imahero|imahero]] 00:30, 26 November 2016 (CET)
 
:::::: That looks pretty good :) changed the frontpage. And sorry for responding so slowly
:::::: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]] 15:43, 1 December 2016 (CET)
 
== Images ==
 
Hi there,
I started adding some images, hope it is no problem with some low resolution screenshots from the game. Was thinking of getting images for most articles.
Take care, [[User:Kdanv|Kdanv]] 12:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Still around? ==
 
Hey Terra!  Are you still monitoring this site / watching your talk page?  I'm wondering if you were the person who asked about me at [http://wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Memetics my Wikipedia Talk page]...  [[User:Memetics|Memetics]] 09:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 
: Yep, still around. And no, wasn't me that poked your WP page.  
 
: I still have my RSS reader monitoring changes to the wiki, so get noticed when something happens :)
: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]] 12:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 
:: Well, that's good to know. :-)  (Guess I'll be careful not to do anything crazy.  ;-)  [[User:Memetics|Memetics]] 14:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
:: At some point, I'd like to upload a spreadsheet with a bunch of test data I gathered years ago, if I'm allowed to.  It has a ton of information on various RMG treasure values and the resulting treasures produced, and a bunch of other stuff.  Is it possible to add such a file somewhere on the wiki, or would that be something that would have to be hosted off-site and linked to?  [[User:Memetics|Memetics]] 10:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 
::: Sorry for late reply. There should be no problem hosting it on this site :) [[User:Terra|Terrasque]] 19:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Current wiki version ==
 
Hello, Terra. If you have the possibility to update this wiki with [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki current version] it would be nice. It's outdated for 4 years already: [[Special:Version]].
 
[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] do not work here, that's why I ask --[[User:HaxLi|HaxLi]] 20:16, 19 March 2014 (CET)
 
: Wiki has now been updated to latest version, sorry about the delay.
: --[[User:Terra|Terrasque]]
 
== Spammer ==
 
Is there something you can do to block the IP address [[User:172.26.0.4|172.26.0.4]]? The guy using it is spamming the wiki for days. --[[User:Fire Paladin|Fire Paladin]] ([[User talk:Fire Paladin|talk]]) 14:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
:It looks like the same guy also made an account: [[User:KarineHornung|KarineHornung]]. This account created another article in the same style like the other ones. --[[User:Fire Paladin|Fire Paladin]] ([[User talk:Fire Paladin|talk]]) 11:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
::Now he has invaded the wiki with tens (hundreds?) of clones. And also tens of promotion articles. Now he uses this IP [[User:172.26.0.3‎|172.26.0.3]].
:::As more of a side note, I think you can let new pages be created only by logged users or let them be verified by admins first; just like in english Wikipedia (where you have to wait for admins to publish the certain page), since both this site and Wikipedia use MediaWiki. This would probably stop these unacceptable promotion pages by weird IPs from being created.--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 14:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
::::The guy is now editing the main page at his own will. Because we all know the Main page doesn't need any change, I think you can protect the page, right? Since this is a site created with MediaWiki.--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 12:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
:::::Maaan, thank you... For finally protecting main page and deleting his spam...--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 23:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 
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== Magical terrains ==
== whiteSortArrows ==
In addition to basic terrain types, there are several types of magical terrains, which can cover basic terrains providing additional features. Magical terrains typically affect [[combat]] or [[Spell|spellcasting]], with the exception of [[favorable winds]], which increases movement over water.
Only two magical terrains (Cursed Ground and Magic Plains) were in the original {{roe}}, the rest being introduced in {{sod}} expansion.


{| border=1px grey; cellspacing=0; cellpadding=4px; width=980px; style="background-color:blanchedalmond;"
think we need ur magic to link these guys:
| colspan=3 style="color:white; text-align:center; background-color:darkred; font-size:16px;"|'''Magical Terrains'''
{| style="background-color:royalblue; margin-right:15px; text-align:center;"
|- bgcolor=#e79256
| [[Image:Sort up white.gif]] [[File:Sort down white.gif]] [[File:Sort both white.gif]]
! style="text-align:left;" width=120px|<big>Terrain</big>
! style="text-align:left;"|<big>Image
! style="text-align:left;"|<big>Description
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Magic Plains'''
| [[File:Magic Plains (h).gif]]
| Cause '''all''' [[spell]]s to be cast at expert level, regardless of the heroes' skills. This includes both [[adventure spell]]s and [[combat spell]]s as well as [[Spellcaster|spells cast by creatures]] and some of magic creature abilities.
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Cursed Ground'''
| [[File:Cursed Ground (h).gif]]
| Prevents hero or creatures from casting of [[spells]] above level 1, includes both adventure and combat spells.<br>
In {{roe}} level 1 spells are banned on Cursed Ground as well.{{-}}{{withroe}}<br>
<br>Disables all [[native terrain]] bonuses, positive or negative [[morale]] and [[luck]] effects.
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Rockland'''
| [[File:Rockland (h).gif]]
| Causes all [[Earth Magic]] [[spells]] to be cast at expert level, regardless of the heroes' skills. This includes both [[adventure spell]]s and [[combat spell]]s, but does not afflict [[Spellcaster|spells cast by creatures]].
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Fiery Fields'''
| [[File:Fiery Fields (h).gif]]
| Cause all [[Fire Magic]] [[spells]] to be cast at expert level, regardless of the heroes' skills. This includes both [[adventure spell]]s and [[combat spell]]s, but does not afflict [[Spellcaster|spells cast by creatures]].
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|<div id="Lucid_Pools"></div>'''Lucid Pools'''
| [[File:Lucid Pools (h).gif]]
| Cause all [[Water Magic]] [[spells]] to be cast at expert level, regardless of the heroes' skills. This includes both [[adventure spell]]s and [[combat spell]]s, but does not afflict [[Spellcaster|spells cast by creatures]].
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Magic Clouds'''
| [[File:Magic Clouds (h).gif]]
| Cause all [[Air Magic]] [[spells]] to be cast at expert level, regardless of the heroes' skills. This includes both [[adventure spell]]s and [[combat spell]]s, but does not afflict [[Spellcaster|spells cast by creatures]].
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Holy Ground'''
| [[File:Holy Ground (h).gif]]
| Gives all [[Alignment|good-aligned]] creatures +1 [[Morale]], and all [[Alignment|Evil-aligned]] creatures -1 Morale.
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Evil Fog'''
| [[File:Evil Fog (h).gif]]
| Gives all [[Alignment|evil-aligned]] creatures +1 [[Morale]], and all [[Alignment|Good-aligned]] creatures -1 Morale.
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Clover Field'''
| [[File:Clover Field (h).gif]]
| Gives all [[Alignment|neutrally aligned]] creatures +2 [[Luck]].
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Favorable Winds'''
| [[File:Favorable Winds (h).gif]]
| Reducing amount of consumed [[movement|movement point]]s by 1/3 (rounded up) for boats.    <br>Unlike other magical terrains, Favorable Winds do not affect combat in any way.
In {{hota}} Favorable Winds cannot be placed under another magical terrain, so they cancel effect of any magical terrain at the same tile.{{withhota}}
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Cracked Ice'''{{-}}{{withhota}}
| [[File:Cracked Ice (h).gif]]
| Reduces the [[Defense]] of all troops by 5.
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Dunes'''{{-}}{{withhota}}
| [[File:Dunes (h).gif]]
| 15 to 20 invisible [[quicksand]] spots are present on the battlefield. They cannot be removed by [[Dispel|mass Dispel]] and are not visible for creatures of any native terrain.<br>After entering a hex with a quicksand spot, unit stops and the spot becomes visible to both players.
|-
| style="padding-left:7px;"|'''Fields of Glory'''{{-}}{{withhota}}
| style="text-align:center;"|[[File:Fields of Glory (h).gif]]
| Gives all troops -2 [[Luck]].
|}
|}
to the class="sortable whiteSortArrows" again.


==Related Articles==
(example of how its not working for the moment: [[Template:Creature table]])
*[[Movement]]
*[[Native Terrain]]
*[[Layer]]
*[[Pathfinding]]


[[Category: Features]]
: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] needs to be fixed because the way the site links stuff is different now.
: You need special privileges to edit that page. I think Terra is currently the only one who can.
: Replace what is currently there with this:
<pre>
table.whiteSortArrows.jquery-tablesorter th.headerSortUp{
    background-image: url(https://heroes.thelazy.net/images/8/82/Sort_up_white.gif) !important;
}
table.whiteSortArrows.jquery-tablesorter th.headerSortDown{
    background-image: url(https://heroes.thelazy.net/images/5/56/Sort_down_white.gif) !important;
}
table.whiteSortArrows.jquery-tablesorter th.headerSort{
    background-image: url(https://heroes.thelazy.net/images/3/36/Sort_both_white.gif);
}
:: Another option is to add it to all the specific skin css pages:
:: [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]]
:: [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]
:: [[MediaWiki:Timeless.css]]
</pre>

Revision as of 21:59, 29 March 2020

Discord

Was thinking of having a more interactive channel than this page that I forget to check often enough, set up a discord channel at https://discord.gg/4XuzYKx - any interest?

--Terrasque (talk) 08:01, 21 February 2018 (CET)

Cool! Added it to the main page.
--imahero 08:53, 21 February 2018 (CET)

Images

Some images have been messed up on the server.

And many more in the same fashion. Any idea what's going on?
--imahero 08:59, 26 January 2018 (CET)

I fixed all the ones you originally uploaded. Hopefully that was the extent of the damage. Look at the revision history of the above images to see what they looked like.
--imahero 02:16, 30 January 2018 (CET)
Can't see any issues with the old one, maybe some browser thing. New pictures certainly work, so all's good :)
Terrasque (talk) 08:00, 21 February 2018 (CET)

Main Page

Would you mind updating the main page with my proposal again?
--imahero 15:13, 9 January 2018 (CET)

For what my opinion is worth, I do not think that these unofficial towns are necessary for this wiki. Personally I would like that we would concentrate on the original Heroes of Might and Magic III Restoration of Erathia and the official expansion Armageddon's Blade and The Shadow of Death. I believe Ibraesil feels about the same. –Kapteeni Ruoska (talk) 13:54, 11 January 2018 (CET)
Which do you prefer Terra? The proposal with unofficial towns or the one without? How about one with only Cove? This is what I would personally choose. Also what is your opinion on having Cove in the sidebars throughout the site? I believe that Horn of the Abyss is a worthy successor to The Shadow of Death.
--imahero 16:35, 11 January 2018 (CET)
Well I kinda like the one with all of them, makes people curious and start exploring. I don't know the current state of WoG tho, if that's buggy / substandard it might be best to leave it out from the list. But if that's still good I prefer the one with all :) Lets us have a space for potential other ones in the future. Also, considering unlocking the front page. We generally don't have much vandalism these days
--Terrasque (talk) 20:26, 11 January 2018 (CET)
Awesome! So you're OK with Cove on the sidebars throughout the site? It greatly increases usability of the site for those of us playing with HotA and I honestly don't think it should impact those playing SoD (in the same way those playing RoE wouldn't really be affected by having a Conflux link for those playing AB or SoD).
--imahero 20:28, 11 January 2018 (CET)
I am not entirely aware what imahero's intentions are, but as I understood it he/she wishes to mix fanbased mod information with the original data. imahero, am I correct? To me this seems illogical and confusing for everyone, because where do we draw the line after that. How do we separate what information is worthy and what is unworthy to add to this wiki? Now the "rules" are clear, the main wiki contains information only from the official game and perhaps a few anekdotes around it. And if we crosslink these different information sources then it quickly becomes unclear what features are available in each different version of the game and all its mods. In summary, my biggest fear is, that the wiki becomes a web of pointless information about some nonsense mods. –Kapteeni Ruoska (talk) 06:15, 12 January 2018 (CET)
Nah. Like I said before. Just links to Cove in the sidebar to increase usability for those of us playing with HotA. No other mod comes anywhere close to the level of HotA.
--imahero 06:34, 12 January 2018 (CET)
Because you develop it? ;) I admit that I am not too familiar with HotA, but to me it seems difficult to draw a line between different mods. Next week some a new user comes along and starts to write about WoG or some other. I just think there are other places and platforms to deal with these mods than this wiki. –Kapteeni Ruoska (talk) 07:25, 12 January 2018 (CET)
Haha. No.
I don't think a link back to Cove is asking too much. Some people ban Conflux. Should we remove it from the sidebar too? Horn of the Abyss does more for the game than both of the two official expansions combined.
--imahero 07:30, 12 January 2018 (CET)
We should have information on noteworthy unofficial stuff - noteworthy being somewhat subjective - but it should be clearly marked and separated from information about the official game. So on it's own pages, not mixed into pages about official information. "Official" pages can hold references to it, as long as it's marked as unofficial content and it makes sense to link to it. Also, we should try not to play favorites :) So for sidebar, if it's in it's own "Unofficial" section and also refers to WoG one.
The reason I want noteworthy / good unofficial addons listed is because they add significantly to the game, and active players / fans should know that they exist and what they are. But at the same time clearly have them separate from the official game.
--Terrasque (talk) 08:30, 12 January 2018 (CET)
Awesome! So you're going to update the main page right? Or are you going to set it as unprotected?
--imahero 20:03, 12 January 2018 (CET)

Proposals

This is my proposed update to the main page: Conservative Main Page.
--imahero 23:45, 16 September 2016 (CEST)

But why? What's the goal of changing it?
--Terrasque
Much more concise and easier for new users to navigate. Also I don't like how the unofficial towns are listed right along with the official ones.
--imahero 15:25, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Have you given this any further thought? Are there any additional changes you'd like me to make to it?
--imahero 00:42, 23 November 2016 (CET)
Ah damn.. Sorry, thought I had replied here. I see it's simpler, but I don't see it being better than what's now. The current page immediately let you jump to something central and familiar - the towns, and lets you explore the wiki from there. I think that's a great start spot if you're not already looking for something specific. And having things like the Forge there directly is an eye catcher and prods people's curiosity. Maybe someone realize they don't know quite as much as they thought about the game, and start reading. There might be things to improve on the front page, but I think those belong there and have a purpose.
--Terrasque 22:19, 25 November 2016 (CET)
OK. I've adjusted the proposal according to your guidance. I've only fixed links and made things more consistent rather than removing anything. Is it ready now, or are there any other changes I need to make?
--imahero 00:30, 26 November 2016 (CET)
That looks pretty good :) changed the frontpage. And sorry for responding so slowly
--Terrasque 15:43, 1 December 2016 (CET)

Images

Hi there, I started adding some images, hope it is no problem with some low resolution screenshots from the game. Was thinking of getting images for most articles. Take care, Kdanv 12:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


Still around?

Hey Terra! Are you still monitoring this site / watching your talk page? I'm wondering if you were the person who asked about me at my Wikipedia Talk page... Memetics 09:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep, still around. And no, wasn't me that poked your WP page.
I still have my RSS reader monitoring changes to the wiki, so get noticed when something happens :)
--Terrasque 12:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's good to know. :-) (Guess I'll be careful not to do anything crazy.  ;-) Memetics 14:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
At some point, I'd like to upload a spreadsheet with a bunch of test data I gathered years ago, if I'm allowed to. It has a ton of information on various RMG treasure values and the resulting treasures produced, and a bunch of other stuff. Is it possible to add such a file somewhere on the wiki, or would that be something that would have to be hosted off-site and linked to? Memetics 10:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for late reply. There should be no problem hosting it on this site :) Terrasque 19:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


Current wiki version

Hello, Terra. If you have the possibility to update this wiki with current version it would be nice. It's outdated for 4 years already: Special:Version.

ParserFunctions do not work here, that's why I ask --HaxLi 20:16, 19 March 2014 (CET)

Wiki has now been updated to latest version, sorry about the delay.
--Terrasque

Spammer

Is there something you can do to block the IP address 172.26.0.4? The guy using it is spamming the wiki for days. --Fire Paladin (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

It looks like the same guy also made an account: KarineHornung. This account created another article in the same style like the other ones. --Fire Paladin (talk) 11:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Now he has invaded the wiki with tens (hundreds?) of clones. And also tens of promotion articles. Now he uses this IP 172.26.0.3.
As more of a side note, I think you can let new pages be created only by logged users or let them be verified by admins first; just like in english Wikipedia (where you have to wait for admins to publish the certain page), since both this site and Wikipedia use MediaWiki. This would probably stop these unacceptable promotion pages by weird IPs from being created.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 14:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
The guy is now editing the main page at his own will. Because we all know the Main page doesn't need any change, I think you can protect the page, right? Since this is a site created with MediaWiki.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 12:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Maaan, thank you... For finally protecting main page and deleting his spam...--FirePaladin2 (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


whiteSortArrows

think we need ur magic to link these guys:

to the class="sortable whiteSortArrows" again.

(example of how its not working for the moment: Template:Creature table)

MediaWiki:Common.css needs to be fixed because the way the site links stuff is different now.
You need special privileges to edit that page. I think Terra is currently the only one who can.
Replace what is currently there with this:
 table.whiteSortArrows.jquery-tablesorter th.headerSortUp{
    background-image: url(https://heroes.thelazy.net/images/8/82/Sort_up_white.gif) !important;
 }
 table.whiteSortArrows.jquery-tablesorter th.headerSortDown{
    background-image: url(https://heroes.thelazy.net/images/5/56/Sort_down_white.gif) !important;
 }
 table.whiteSortArrows.jquery-tablesorter th.headerSort{
    background-image: url(https://heroes.thelazy.net/images/3/36/Sort_both_white.gif);
 }
:: Another option is to add it to all the specific skin css pages:
:: [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]]
:: [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]
:: [[MediaWiki:Timeless.css]]