Editing Template talk:Appear

== Features ==
# Lets us control the listed order from here
# Removes the need for each hero page to correctly add the superscript/note for old campaigns.
# (minor) No need for the hero pages to list campaign links in full

== Thoughts? ==
I am thinking about reworking the appearances section on the hero pages now that a bunch are getting fairly long. Thoughts on this design? Any way to make it easier to use or better visually? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 16:51, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
* Good idea to condense it; I'll brainstorm tonight and have a think, but I like this idea! I'd change the first header to "Mainline Campaigns" or something like that though. [[File:Hero Cosmos small.png|link=user:phasma|→ Phasma]] 18:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't think the table is good idea for a presentation. Most of the times, one or two of the columns will be empty. The flag colors based on player/ally/enemy status is an iffy choice because it won't necessarily correspond to their actual color in-game. The caption about old campaign should only appear if there is an old campaign in the list. --[[User:Turnam|Turnam]] ([[User talk:Turnam|talk]]) 09:56, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
* We can use something like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Conditional_tables#Vertical_bar_escaping conditional formatting] to hide unused rows/columns - example 2b may be usable here. [[File:Hero Cosmos small.png|link=user:phasma|→ Phasma]] 14:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
* Ok, good feedback. I conditionally hid the columns/note about very old campaign appearances. Does that help? Are there other symbols that would be more clear for player/enemy/ally? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:37, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
** I'm thinking that cursors might fit for player/enemy symbols. Sword [[File:CRADVNTR.CursrA28.HotA.png]] for enemy, Trade [[File:CRADVNTR.CursrA44.HotA.png]] for ally, and Hero [[File:CRADVNTR.CursrA11.HotA.png]] for player would make intuitive sense to me. Or maybe the hero for ally, and Horse [[File:CRADVNTR.CursrA24.HotA.png]] for player.
** Ok, I switched to player/enemy/ally templates, so it should be somewhat easy to play with the icons now. I agree that the symbols are more intuitive, but something about the colors/icons seems more cluttered to me. Thoughts? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 13:38, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
*** I standardized the icon sizes and that definitely helps...maybe lose the bullet now too? See Cuthbert. Unfortunately, this requires a bunch more formatting on each page, so unless we can figure out how to pull more of the formatting into this page, it probably isn't ideal. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 13:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
*** Ok, found better syntax to remove the bullets but keep the indent. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

"Primary Campaigns" is kind of weird. How about calling it "Heroes 3 Complete"? Would be more in-line with using titles for Heroes Chronicles and Horn of the Abyss.
* Good point!