Editing User talk:Legate

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= Current Discussions =
== TOC idea ==
See [[Legate/TOC test]] for an initial idea of how to move the TOC out of the main viewing area of every page. Ideally it would be nice to have it as a hover-over popup in the main left side bar.
* Back-burner for now due to differences between H3CSS and legacy.

= Older discussions =
== Thank you ==

Thank you for help with the Map Editor formatting. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])

Nice work on Hero specialty‎‎! Now it looks more organized and clearer. --[[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) 04:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

== Page tagging ==
Could you please correctly tag HotA pages/info? Even so, thanks for the work on keeping the wiki up to date however you can. :) --[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 18:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
* Sure! I really appreciate your help with the lore pages...you seem to know a lot more than me! --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 18:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
* I saw you marking portions of pages as hota...I don't know what was introduced in different games in the M&M universe...I only know what is Homm3 vs HotA. Thoughts? I think for now I will mark everything introduced to homm3 in HotA as a HotA page, and you can fix them later? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 18:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
** That could work I guess. You can also check the fandom wiki (for example, a quick search for Balthazar confirms him as canon MM content). And on pages where I already contributed, I already tagged things accordingly, I believe. Regardless, there'd be plenty of work to fully do this.--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 18:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
** Any thoughts of what to do for heroes like [[Xex]] or [[Agar]]? They exist as part of the larger lore, but are only heroes in hota. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 21:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
*** I guess [[Tavin]] is also marked as hota even though he appears in the story text of AB. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 21:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

== Creature Artwork/Sketches ==
I saw you adding creature sketches from the game manual to their respective gallery. I found many of them in a sketch-only format in here: https://h3.heroes.net.pl/galeria/szkice
There might be more of them than just in the game's manual. But I'd have to recheck the manual to be sure. Also, funnily enough, there's a steampunk-y version of the Devil dwelling - probably a nod to the series' sci-fi roots, as well as time manipulation symbolism (Chronos with the scythe etc.). --[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 17:39, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
* Yeah, I would prefer to eventually have just the sketch. For now, I'm just taking a first pass through the existing pics in the manual, then we can replace them when we have the extra pics uploaded. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 17:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
* Created [[:Category: Creature sketches]] for if and whenever you would like to add them! [[File:Hero Cosmos small.png|link=user:phasma|→ Phasma]] 17:43, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thank you and the other users for everything you've done! Didn't expect you to implement languages other than English.--[[User:Archer|Archer]] ([[User talk:Archer|talk]]) 18:16, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
* I think it is mostly Turnam, Phasma and imahero so far :) Good on them! --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 19:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Interviews ==

I suppose the best approach for interviews would be to add them as subpages (so e.g. Gregory Fulton/Interview on Names in Heroes of Might and Magic III) and the main article would have a list of subpage links instead of having the text in full directly. --[[User:Turnam|Turnam]] ([[User talk:Turnam|talk]]) 18:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
* I think you are right. The interview text is getting rather long. Feel free to move the pages around/reformat as necessary. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 18:17, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== Proposals ==

Hi! Don't mean to rush you, but I've got [[Proposals#By_XEL|some small proposals]] for a couple pages. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 19:15, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
* Ah - didn't realize you were waiting for me on those! Yeah, I'll move Tidewater to the erathia list. For adding Harmondale to Contested Lands, I had gotten some pushback on that in the past ([[Talk:Contested Lands#Harmondale]]), so it is probably worth bringing it up on Discord before re-adding it. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 19:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
** I'll bring it up with Fire Paladin. Perhaps he meant that Harmondale politically isn't part of the nation that the protagonists of Seeds of Discontent establish.  While this is true, Harmondale is geographically a town in the Welnin region ([[Cloverfield]]-[[Mosswood]]-[[Forestdale]]) of the Contested Lands. MM7 is clear on that. It is shown on the MM7 printed map and town portal map as being in the part of the continent. The game also mentions that Harmondale is within Erathian borders and near Tularea. Castle Harmondale was built as a first line of defense during the Timber Wars, and the town is described as having been the site of human/elf conflict for centuries. MM7 also mentions that to the east of Harmondale is the center of the disputed region. Further, MM7 says "the contested lands of Harmondale and surrounds", further linking the two. Also, the region around Harmondale is called Welnin in MM7. Even Harmondale's name rhymes with Forestdale. Of course, it's also clear from MM7 that Harmondale isn't part of the independent nation from Seeds, since it belongs to Erathia at the start of MM7. In fact, the independent nation was unable to de-facto control the whole Welnin region, since AvLee and Erathia still contest those lands in MM7, with big parts of the area belonging to Erathia by AB. It's even probable that the independent nation collapsed by the time of MM7, but that's open for interpretation. So, if we use the Contested Lands table as the geographic region from Seeds, Harmondale is definitely there. And even politically, not all the areas listed in the table are de-facto part of the independent nation in the end. But like I said, the Unaffiliated table may also suit Harmondale, given how its political status in MM7 explicitly depends on the player. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 06:40, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Fire Paladin has confirmed to me that he indeed meant that Harmondale isn't part of the independent CL politically, and also said that, as he remembers, an older version if the page talked about Harmondale as if it's the capital of the CL or generally synonymous with it. Overall, I think it's safe to move Harmondale into the CL table as a town, since it's there geographically, with the actual articles going into the political details. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 15:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
* Sounds good to me! --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 19:56, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
In the end, keeping it in Unaffiliated does indeed better reflects Harmondale's ambiguous political status, since it can canonically be AvLeean, Erathian or the capital of an independent nation, all being quite likely. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 13:22, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

== Collaboration ==
Thanks for correcting the redirect in [[Lost Gold Mine]] (and other edit cleanups here and there over the past month), I initially pondered putting it in Tatalia minor locations, but changed my mind and forgot to fix the redirect :) --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 13:20, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
* No problem, it's been great having another person working on the lore side of things! Thanks for all your updates :) --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:17, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
** You (and by extension, the community) are welcome! --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 14:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

== Shandar River ==

Hi! I've been meaning to respond to your thoughts on the Shandar River and the north Deyja lake for quite some time now, but can't remember on which talk you posted them. Would appreciate you giving a link. In the meantime, since I do remember the main gist, I'll respond here.

You indeed may be on to something with the shape of the lake on the map and how the Shandar's. Perhaps the map maker who made that scenario in SoD had that lake in mind in a way. Hard to say with certaintly, but is possible that it was

However, lore-wise it is hardly supposed to be that lake. The shape still doesn't look 1-to-1 (though there is some passing resemblance). Also, the general context of the campagn oes point out to it being in the western AvLee, not south AvLee, both [[Search for a Killer]] itself and [[To Strive, To Seek]], the latter taking place by a small tributary of the Shandar. Of course, that small tributary could still be in that part of AvLee even if the large lake is part of the main river's system. But still, it does point to that the Shandar is indeed supposed to be in the western reaches of AvLee, near the RoE-period porders with Erathia and Deyja.

But there's also the broader context and the plot of the mission:

For one thing, the scenario does call it a river, and even with that lake being connected to the Shandar, lakes are still called lakes in such cases, as far as I know. The scenario does allude to Gelu's forces navigating the actual river currents, and the message conveyed to the player is that a river divides the scenario map, not a lake.

Secondly, if we assume that it's the same lake, that would mean that Gelu actually invades a huge swath of Deyja's northern border, including the areas featured in MM7, even the one with the [[Hall of the Pit]], thus near the capital. The plot of the scenario, however, doesn't really point to something like that.

I'm quite sure the Shandar just isn't represented on the SoD campaign maps. Kinda like the [[Steadwick#Gallery|huge lake which Steadwick is on]] also isn't. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 00:06, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
* [[Talk:Search for a Killer]] is where I put some comments. We should probably centralize this whole discussion to [[Talk: Shandar River]] and try to correlate all the sources of info we have on it. I assume the Shandar isn't mentioned in mm7? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 02:11, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
::No, it's not. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 11:20, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
::Also, made a centralized thread. [[Talk:Shandar_River#The_Deyjan_Lake_and_the_Shandar]] --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 11:35, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

== Marishen ==
Based on what's described [https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php?title=Antagarich_minor_locations&diff=167249&oldid=166736 here], I think it'd be more accurate to move Marishen to the Erathia table, or simply not list it in location tables. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 03:10, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
* I am indifferent as to where Marishen/Dunwall/Bathi'ere end up. Feel free to move them wherever you think best (just remember to change the redirects). --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 17:47, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
** I would've done so already, but I don't yet know how to edit the location tables :) --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 21:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
** Done. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 01:49, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks! And, by following your edit, I figured out how to do that. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 12:01, 19 August 2025 (UTC)