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	:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.		:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.
	:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)		:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)

	~~== Rounding down ==~~

	~~"Creatures with a base health value of less than four (Peasants, Pixies and Sprites) do not benefit from the 25% health bonus since it is rounded down."~~

	* This is how all calculations work in the entire game. Is it really necessary to mention that?

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	:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.		:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.
	:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)		:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)

			== Rounding down ==

			"Creatures with a base health value of less than four (Peasants, Pixies and Sprites) do not benefit from the 25% health bonus since it is rounded down."

			* This is how all calculations work in the entire game. Is it really necessary to mention that?

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	~~== Discussion ==~~
	The 25% health bonus is calculated using each creature's base health before other bonuses are added. So for example a creature with base health 4 will get +1 from the 25% bonus. After that bonuses from normal artifacts are added giving +4 more points, for a total of 9 health.

	The regeneration ability only adds the base number of hit points that a [[Troll]] has (40) and does NOT necessarily maximize the hitpoints of the actual creatures affected. The regeneration ability is more powerful on creatures with high health, like [[Behemoth]]s or other level 7 creatures, or the various [[Dragon]]s added in {{ab}}.

	== Undead is not the same as unliving ==		== Undead is not the same as unliving ==

	Undead: Creatures risen from dead, i.e., all Necropolis creatures		Undead: Creatures risen from dead, i.e., all Necropolis creatures
	Unliving: Creatures that are animated via magic, i.e., Gargoyles are golems		Unliving: Creatures that are animated via magic, i.e., Gargoyles are golems

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	::: --[[Special:Contributions/Ibraesil\|Ibraesil]]		::: --[[Special:Contributions/Ibraesil\|Ibraesil]]

	:::: Based on a comprehensive study I have modified [[Undead vs Unliving~~#Classification~~\|the classification]] to include three distinct groups without subgroups:		:::: Based on a comprehensive study I have modified [[Undead vs Unliving\|the classification]] to include three distinct groups without subgroups:
	:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.		:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.
	:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)		:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)

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	::: --[[Special:Contributions/Ibraesil\|Ibraesil]]		::: --[[Special:Contributions/Ibraesil\|Ibraesil]]

	:::: Based on a comprehensive study I have modified [[~~Undead_Unliving~~#Classification\|the classification]] to include three distinct groups without subgroups:		:::: Based on a comprehensive study I have modified [[Undead vs Unliving#Classification\|the classification]] to include three distinct groups without subgroups:
	:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.		:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.
	:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)		:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)

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	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone_.26_Obsidian_Gargoyles\|Gargoyles]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone & Iron Golems\|gol]][[Talk:Elixir of Life#Gold & Diamond Golems\|ems]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Walking Dead & Zombies\|zombies]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Water Elementals\|elementals]] are all described as being '''animated''' by magic.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone_.26_Obsidian_Gargoyles\|Gargoyles]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone & Iron Golems\|gol]][[Talk:Elixir of Life#Gold & Diamond Golems\|ems]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Walking Dead & Zombies\|zombies]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Water Elementals\|elementals]] are all described as being '''animated''' by magic.

	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed. The quest objective of the Dragon Slayer campaign is defeating a "Crystal Golem Dragon". In the video they state that they have succeeded in creating a dragon golem out of the finest crystal.

	In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).		In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).

Imahero at 16:33, 23 December 2016

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	Unliving: Creatures that are animated via magic, i.e., Gargoyles are golems		Unliving: Creatures that are animated via magic, i.e., Gargoyles are golems

	:This seems only a statement, which has already been covered in [[Undead]] and [[Non-living]] articles. Or was there some kind of link to this article? –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 08:33, 12 July 2016 (CEST)		: This seems only a statement, which has already been covered in [[Undead]] and [[Non-living]] articles. Or was there some kind of link to this article? –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska\|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska\|talk]]) 08:33, 12 July 2016 (CEST)

	:I second this. Undead is not the same thing as unliving and the article presents them as equivalents which might be very misleading. People might take this as a fact and might not check the respective sections covering the two topics. I suggest removing the sentence entirely.		:: I second this. Undead is not the same thing as unliving and the article presents them as equivalents which might be very misleading. People might take this as a fact and might not check the respective sections covering the two topics. I suggest removing the sentence entirely.
			:: --[[Special:Contributions/93.91.51.153\|93.91.51.153]]

	::The description is redundant when it says, "Undead or unliving," as all Undead creatures ''are'' unliving.		::: The description is redundant when it says, "Undead or unliving," as all Undead creatures ''are'' unliving.
			::: --[[Special:Contributions/Ibraesil\|Ibraesil]]

	~~::: There are two distinct groups: '''undead''' and '''non-undead'''.~~		:::: Based on a comprehensive study I have modified [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Classification\|the classification]] to include three distinct groups without subgroups:
	~~::: Within the '''non-undead''' group there are two more distinct groups: '''living''' and '''non-living'''('''unliving''').<br>~~
	~~::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 14:36, 3 October 2016 (CEST)~~

	:::: Based on ~~further~~ study I have modified the ~~classifications~~ to include three distinct groups without subgroups:
	:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.		:::: They are the '''once-living''', the '''never-living''', and the '''living'''.
	:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)		:::: --[[user:imahero\|imahero]] 05:29, 5 October 2016 (CEST)
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	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Death Knights\|Death knights]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Necromancy\|skeletons]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Vampires & Vampire Lords\|vampires]] are all described as being '''resurrected'''. This is an error in the manual. It should have been written that they were animated through '''Unholy Magic''' or '''Unholy Resurrection''' or just Necromancy.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Death Knights\|Death knights]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Necromancy\|skeletons]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Vampires & Vampire Lords\|vampires]] are all described as being '''resurrected'''. This is an error in the manual. It should have been written that they were animated through '''Unholy Magic''' or '''Unholy Resurrection''' or just Necromancy.

	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone_.26_Obsidian_Gargoyles\|Gargoyles]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone & Iron Golems\|gol]][[Talk:Elixir of Life#Gold & Diamond Golems\|ems]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Walking Dead & Zombies\|~~Zombies~~]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Water Elementals\|elementals]] are all described as being '''animated''' by magic.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone_.26_Obsidian_Gargoyles\|Gargoyles]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone & Iron Golems\|gol]][[Talk:Elixir of Life#Gold & Diamond Golems\|ems]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Walking Dead & Zombies\|zombies]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Water Elementals\|elementals]] are all described as being '''animated''' by magic.

	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.
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	In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).		In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).

	The word '''living''' is only used in the Restoration of Erathia manual and it is only used once. It is used to describe creatures that lose [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Morale\|morale]] when in the same army as '''undead''' creatures. The manual fails to mention gargoyles and crystal dragons, both of which also lose morale when in an army with '''undead''' creatures. The Elixir of Life plainly states that it does not affect '''non-living''' (or '''undead''') creatures. I have tested in-game, and the Elixir of Life does not affect gargoyles or crystal dragons other than the basic increase in health provided by the lesser artifacts in the set. If the game designers meant for gargoyles and crystal dragons to actually be affected by morale, I think they would have written them in here as exceptions. Instead I believe gargoyles and crystal dragons, based their '''method of creation''', were meant to be, like golems and elementals, '''unaffected by morale'''.		The word '''living''' is only used in the Restoration of Erathia manual and it is only used once. It is used to describe creatures that lose [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Morale\|morale]] when in the same army as '''undead''' creatures. The manual fails to mention gargoyles and crystal dragons, both of which also lose morale when in an army with '''undead''' creatures. The Elixir of Life plainly states that it does not affect '''non-living''' (or '''undead''') creatures. I have tested in-game, and the Elixir of Life does not affect gargoyles or crystal dragons other than the basic increase in health provided by the lesser artifacts in the set. If the game designers meant for gargoyles and crystal dragons to actually be affected by morale, I think they would have written them in here as exceptions. Instead I believe gargoyles and crystal dragons, based on their '''method of creation''', were meant to be, like golems and elementals, '''unaffected by morale'''.

	The words '''unliving''', '''un-living''', '''nonliving''', and '''non-living''' are not referenced in either the Restoration of Erathia manual, or the Armageddon's Blade manual.		The words '''unliving''', '''un-living''', '''nonliving''', and '''non-living''' are not referenced in either the Restoration of Erathia manual, or the Armageddon's Blade manual.

Imahero at 13:14, 5 October 2016

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	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.

	In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and ~~hargoyles~~ are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have ~~also~~ been immune to the death cloud, or none of these creatures should have been immune).		In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).

	The word '''living''' is only used in the Restoration of Erathia manual and it is only used once. It is used to describe creatures that lose [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Morale\|morale]] when in the same army as '''undead''' creatures. The manual fails to mention gargoyles and crystal dragons, both of which also lose morale when in an army with '''undead''' creatures. The Elixir of Life plainly states that it does not affect '''non-living''' (or '''undead''') creatures. I have tested in-game, and the Elixir of Life does not affect gargoyles or crystal dragons other than the basic increase in health provided by the lesser artifacts in the set. If the game designers meant for gargoyles and crystal dragons to actually be affected by morale, I think they would have written them in here as exceptions. Instead I believe gargoyles and crystal dragons, based their '''method of creation''', were meant to be, like golems and elementals, '''unaffected by morale'''.		The word '''living''' is only used in the Restoration of Erathia manual and it is only used once. It is used to describe creatures that lose [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Morale\|morale]] when in the same army as '''undead''' creatures. The manual fails to mention gargoyles and crystal dragons, both of which also lose morale when in an army with '''undead''' creatures. The Elixir of Life plainly states that it does not affect '''non-living''' (or '''undead''') creatures. I have tested in-game, and the Elixir of Life does not affect gargoyles or crystal dragons other than the basic increase in health provided by the lesser artifacts in the set. If the game designers meant for gargoyles and crystal dragons to actually be affected by morale, I think they would have written them in here as exceptions. Instead I believe gargoyles and crystal dragons, based their '''method of creation''', were meant to be, like golems and elementals, '''unaffected by morale'''.

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	The words '''unliving''', '''un-living''', '''nonliving''', and '''non-living''' are not referenced in either the Restoration of Erathia manual, or the Armageddon's Blade manual.		The words '''unliving''', '''un-living''', '''nonliving''', and '''non-living''' are not referenced in either the Restoration of Erathia manual, or the Armageddon's Blade manual.

	The same is true in the Shadow of Death manual, except for a single reference to '''non-living''' when describing creatures '''unaffected by the [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Elixir of Life\|Elixir of Life]]'''. It also implies that '''non-living''' refers to a creature group that is distinct from the '''undead'''. The in-game description for the Elixir of Life replaces the word '''non-living''' with '''unliving''', which is also the only place I've even seen the word '''unliving'''. ~~This term leads~~ to ~~confusion~~ and ~~should have been replaced with~~ '''~~never-living~~'''.		The same is true in the Shadow of Death manual, except for a single reference to '''non-living''' when describing creatures '''unaffected by the [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Elixir of Life\|Elixir of Life]]'''. It also implies that '''non-living''' refers to a creature group that is distinct from the '''undead'''. The in-game description for the Elixir of Life replaces the word '''non-living''' with '''unliving''', which is also the only place I've even seen the word '''unliving'''. Without a comprehensive study, it is difficult for players to see the difference between this group of creatures and the '''undead'''.

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	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone_.26_Obsidian_Gargoyles\|Gargoyles]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone & Iron Golems\|gol]][[Talk:Elixir of Life#Gold & Diamond Golems\|ems]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Walking Dead & Zombies\|zombies]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Water Elementals\|elementals]] are all described as being '''animated''' by magic.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone_.26_Obsidian_Gargoyles\|Gargoyles]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Stone & Iron Golems\|gol]][[Talk:Elixir of Life#Gold & Diamond Golems\|ems]], [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Walking Dead & Zombies\|zombies]], and [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Water Elementals\|elementals]] are all described as being '''animated''' by magic.

	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed. The quest objective of the Dragon Slayer campaign is defeating a "Crystal Golem Dragon". In the video they state that they have succeeded in creating a dragon golem out of the finest crystal.

	In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).		In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).

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	[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.		[[Talk:Elixir of Life#Crystal Dragons\|Crystal dragons]] are described as being '''brought to life through magical means'''. The manual also states that they are often '''created''' by wizards for the crystal they shed.

	In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and ~~hargoyles~~ are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have ~~also~~ been immune to the death cloud, or none of these creatures should have been immune).		In all three manuals, the word '''non-undead''' is only used twice and only in the Restoration of Erathia manual. It is used to describe creatures that can be [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Sacrifice\|'''sacrificed''']] as well as creatures that are damaged by the death cloud of [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Liches & Power Liches\|Liches]]. The manual fails to mention that elementals, golems, and gargoyles are also immune to the death cloud. (Also, either crystal dragons should have been immune to the death cloud as well, or none of these creatures should have been immune).

	The word '''living''' is only used in the Restoration of Erathia manual and it is only used once. It is used to describe creatures that lose [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Morale\|morale]] when in the same army as '''undead''' creatures. The manual fails to mention gargoyles and crystal dragons, both of which also lose morale when in an army with '''undead''' creatures. The Elixir of Life plainly states that it does not affect '''non-living''' (or '''undead''') creatures. I have tested in-game, and the Elixir of Life does not affect gargoyles or crystal dragons other than the basic increase in health provided by the lesser artifacts in the set. If the game designers meant for gargoyles and crystal dragons to actually be affected by morale, I think they would have written them in here as exceptions. Instead I believe gargoyles and crystal dragons, based their '''method of creation''', were meant to be, like golems and elementals, '''unaffected by morale'''.		The word '''living''' is only used in the Restoration of Erathia manual and it is only used once. It is used to describe creatures that lose [[Talk:Elixir of Life#Morale\|morale]] when in the same army as '''undead''' creatures. The manual fails to mention gargoyles and crystal dragons, both of which also lose morale when in an army with '''undead''' creatures. The Elixir of Life plainly states that it does not affect '''non-living''' (or '''undead''') creatures. I have tested in-game, and the Elixir of Life does not affect gargoyles or crystal dragons other than the basic increase in health provided by the lesser artifacts in the set. If the game designers meant for gargoyles and crystal dragons to actually be affected by morale, I think they would have written them in here as exceptions. Instead I believe gargoyles and crystal dragons, based their '''method of creation''', were meant to be, like golems and elementals, '''unaffected by morale'''.