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Joining is a feature where a stack of wandering creatures are willing to become a part of hero's army for free or in exchange for gold. Whether or not the stack will join depends on several factors, explained below.

Calculation and factors[edit | hide | hide all]

Mood values (M)
A value that is set by the map creator for each wandering monster. • Default level is 'Aggressive'. • If the M-value is a range, a random number is picked at the beginning of the battle.
M	Aggression level
-4	Compliant
1–7	Friendly
1–10	Aggressive
4–10	Hostile
10	Savage

Sympathy values (S_y)
How many of the hero's creatures are from the same creature type as the wandering creature (upgraded does not matter)? • Exception: Water/Ice, Fire/Energy and Earth/Magma Elemental upgrades count as different types.
S_y	Sympathy description
0	Zero
1	At least one
2	Over 50% of the hero's creatures

Strength values (S_t)
A value based on the relative strength of the 2 armies (See equation for 'k' to left). • '*' means rounded down
S_t	k
11	k ≥ 7
2 × (k-1)^*	1 ≤ k < 7
-1	0.5 ≤ k < 1
-2	0.333 ≤ k < 0.5
-3	k < 0.333

Diplomacy values (D)
The level of the Diplomacy skill. • Add +1 if playing on Easy difficulty and not having Expert Diplomacy
D	Diplomacy level
1	No Diplomacy skill
2	Basic level Diplomacy
3	Advanced level Diplomacy
4	Expert level Diplomacy

Possible Creature Actions[edit | hide]

C < M → Creatures will fight

C is the Charisma value (see equation below)
M is the Mood value (see chart on right)

C ≥ M → 3 possible outcomes

Stack will join for free if S_y + D ≥ M
Stack will join for gold if S_y + D + 2 ≥ M
Stack will fight if S_y + D + 2 < M

Supporting Equations[edit | hide]

C = S_t + D + S_y

S_t is is strength value (see table to right)
D is Diplomacy value (see table to right)
S_y is Sympathy value (see table to right)

k = H × Hero army Strength / AI army Strength

H is hero strength value (see equation below)
NOTE: The army strength is the sum of AI creature values.

H = √(1 + 0.05 × A) × (1 + 0.05 × D)

A is the hero's attack skill value
D is the hero's defense skill value

External links[edit | hide]

Thread: Diplomacy internals on Heroes Community]

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-'''Joining''' is a feature where a stack of [[wandering creature]]s are willing to become a part of hero's army for free or in exchange for [[gold]]. Whether or not the stack will join depends on several factors, but basically if hero's charisma value (C) is lower than creature stack's mood value (M) the creatures will fight.
+'''Joining''' is a feature where a stack of [[wandering creature]]s are willing to become a part of hero's army for free or in exchange for [[gold]]. Whether or not the stack will join depends on several factors, explained below.
-{{Math|M > C → Creature stack will fight}}<br><br>
+== Calculation and factors ==
-{{Math|M ≤ C → Creature may join}}<br><br>
+{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 0 0 0 1em; float:right; width:400px;"
-{{Math|C <nowiki>=</nowiki> P + D + S}}
+! colspan=2 | Mood values (M)
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | A value that is set by the map creator for each wandering monster.<br>• Default level is 'Aggressive'.<br>• If the M-value is a range, a random number is picked at the beginning of the battle.
+|-
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em; width:75px;" | M
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Aggression level
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -4
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Compliant
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1–7
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Friendly
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1–10
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Aggressive
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 4–10
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Hostile
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 10
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Savage
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="background-color:darkgray;" |
+|-
+! colspan=2 | Sympathy values (S<sub>y</sub>)
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | How many of the hero's creatures are from the same creature type as the wandering creature (upgraded does not matter)?<br>• Exception: Water/Ice, Fire/Energy and Earth/Magma Elemental upgrades count as different types.
+|-
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | S<sub>y</sub>
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Sympathy description
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | Zero
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | At least one
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 2
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | Over 50% of the hero's creatures
+|}
+{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 0 0 0 1em; float:right; width:400px;"
+|-
+! colspan=2 | Strength values (S<sub>t</sub>)
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | A value based on the relative strength of the 2 armies (See equation for 'k' to left).<br>• '*' means rounded down''
+|-
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | S<sub>t</sub>
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | k
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 11
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | k ≥ 7
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 2 &times; (k-1)<sup>*</sup>
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1 ≤ k < 7
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -1
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0.5 ≤ k < 1
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -2
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 0.333 ≤ k < 0.5
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | -3
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | k < 0.333
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="background-color:darkgray;" |
+|-
+! colspan=2 | Diplomacy values (D)
+|-
+| colspan=2 style="padding-left: 0.5em; font-size:90%;" | The level of the Diplomacy skill.<br>• Add +1 if playing on Easy difficulty and not having Expert Diplomacy
+|-
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | D
+!  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | [[Diplomacy]] level
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 1
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | No [[Diplomacy]] skill
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 2
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Basic level [[Diplomacy]]
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 3
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Advanced level [[Diplomacy]]
+|-
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | 4
+|  style="padding-left: 0.5em;" | Expert level [[Diplomacy]]
+|}
+=== Possible Creature Actions ===
+{{Math|C < M → Creatures will fight}}
+:* C is the Charisma value (see equation below)
+:* M is the Mood value (see chart on right)
+{{Math|C ≥ M  → 3 possible outcomes}}
+# Stack will join for free if S<sub>y</sub> + D ≥ M
+# Stack will join for gold if S<sub>y</sub> + D + 2 ≥ M
+# Stack will fight if S<sub>y</sub> + D + 2 < M
+=== Supporting Equations ===
+{{Math|C <nowiki>=</nowiki> S<sub>t</sub> + D + S<sub>y</sub>}}
+:* S<sub>t</sub> is is strength value (see table to right)
+:* D is [[Diplomacy]] value (see table to right)
+:* S<sub>y</sub> is Sympathy value (see table to right)
+{{Math|k <nowiki>=</nowiki> H &times; Hero army Strength</sub> / AI army Strength}}
+:* H is hero strength value (see equation below)
+:* NOTE: The army strength is the sum of AI creature values.
+{{Math|H <nowiki>=</nowiki> {{sqrt|(1 + 0.05 &times; A) &times; (1 + 0.05 &times; D)}}}}
+:* A is the hero's [[Primary skills|attack skill]] value
+:* D is the hero's [[Primary skills|defense skill]] value
 == External links ==