Talk:Undead vs Unliving
Elixir of Life
Did the HD mod update to change how the elixir of life affected crystal dragons? Pretty sure I tested this when I originally wrote this page... →ima 00:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- the same without HD --GroundhogYear (talk) 01:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Guess I made a mistake when testing it back then. Not sure how I messed that up. →ima 10:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Crystal Dragons
I am too busy to correct the whole text, so I'll lay this down; here's some text from Clash of Dragons:
Well, they aren't true Dragons, although the powerful process Wizards use to create them involves crushed Dragon bones. Hence, Mutare is still able to control them. They are strong beasts with a one-track mind. Thankfully, they neither have wings nor a breath weapon....
Presumably, they still have some soul or living essence in them at the very least, and that's what makes them alive. The precedence of inorganic living creatures exists too, Angels and perhaps even Titans (if delving deep into the MM lore, you'd realize it's not uncommon to have souls inhabit artificial bodies).--FirePaladin2 (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Should we create another category for them? It would probably be good to show them in some place here and to note their differences. →ima 00:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- not sure if that will have any sense. technically it's just another living unit and all its golemness is just in lore. should it have been realized properly at AB release? - yes. should we try to fix it now somehow? - no. is it a piece of work for hota crew? - maybe. this fix wont ruin the balance anyway cause neutral dragons were broken since the very beginning. --GroundhogYear (talk) 01:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have updated the article accordingly. →ima 09:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- I am just saying, they were 99% intended to be like this (just as Angels, Titans, etc.). It's golemness is reflected in the immunity to Vial of Life. There's no need for "correcting" the creature either. MM just simply has the concept of souls living inside any kind of body, with Corak and Angels being the most obvious ones (presumably, even Tarnum has an artificial body, but this is not the place for it). In fact, someone should rather add Mind Immunity to Angels (incompatible brain with the spell itself, or self-defense), as originally intended, instead of "correcting" a creature which is working properly, like the Crystal Dragons. :P--FirePaladin2 (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- I thought we decided crystal dragons were not immune to the elixir of life? Or is there another artifact you were referring to? I thought we decided that the golemnity of the crystal dragons was reflected in the game text only and that as far as game mechanics are concerned they are living creatures. →ima 11:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- I am just saying, they were 99% intended to be like this (just as Angels, Titans, etc.). It's golemness is reflected in the immunity to Vial of Life. There's no need for "correcting" the creature either. MM just simply has the concept of souls living inside any kind of body, with Corak and Angels being the most obvious ones (presumably, even Tarnum has an artificial body, but this is not the place for it). In fact, someone should rather add Mind Immunity to Angels (incompatible brain with the spell itself, or self-defense), as originally intended, instead of "correcting" a creature which is working properly, like the Crystal Dragons. :P--FirePaladin2 (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have updated the article accordingly. →ima 09:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- not sure if that will have any sense. technically it's just another living unit and all its golemness is just in lore. should it have been realized properly at AB release? - yes. should we try to fix it now somehow? - no. is it a piece of work for hota crew? - maybe. this fix wont ruin the balance anyway cause neutral dragons were broken since the very beginning. --GroundhogYear (talk) 01:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)