Editing Proposals (section)

= Lore =
{{About|Any issues/missing info related to the lore of Heroes III.}}

== Discussion ==
# [[The Story]]: Should we keep this? This seems to be a small summary of {{mm7}} and doesn't really add much to the [[Lost Lore]]. Thoughts? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
#* Maybe paraphrase/reference this on [[List of games set in Enroth (world)]]?
# Are the Kreegans eradicated (what I thought) or just vastly reduced from Antagarich between [[Conquest of the Underworld]] (~200s AS?) and the [[Night of Shooting Stars]] (~1162 AS)? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]])
#* I'm trying to reconcile Sandro running into some pit fiends in [[Target]] (~1157 AS) and [[Xeron]] (a decorated commander in ~1171 AS) being the son of an Erathian Knight and a succubus.
# [[The Courtier]] mentions "Zoological Accounts" as supposedly another tale by [[Xanthor]]. Is this 1) Another [[Lost Lore]] story we don't have yet, 2) a story that was never published, or 3) A reference to the faction descriptions currently attributed to [[Marcus Finch]]?

== Missing Info ==
# I can't find any info about the following items: --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 00:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
#* NOTE: Talked to Tevye - These can now be updated. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 15:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
#* "Tuunbaq" - [[Frontier]] - This is a reference to some kind of demon polar bear.
#* "Western Elves" - [[Dead or Alive]] - This is a reference the the mm8 elves.
# Flesh out pages for all [[Jadame]] regions and all [[Enroth (continent)]] regions.
#* Include some basic info and a map where possible.
# [[Timeline]] double-check (see [[Talk:Timeline]])
#* Status: First pass of notes complete. I think I have looked at everything available within Homm3/Lost Lore. Let me know if you find any errors or more info! --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
#* <span style="color:teal">(Skill helpful: Knowledge of M&M Lore)</span> To Do: Look at info from other M&M games.
# <span style="color:orange">(IMPEDIMENT: Wait for timeline double-check to be finished)</span> Update [[Timeline]], [[List of wars in Enroth (world)]] and [[List of games set in Enroth (world)]] to match [[Talk: Timeline]].
# Add story info to hero pages.
#* Standard heroes. Complete with exceptions:
#** Factory: {{Hn|Henrietta|0=}}, <s>{{Hn|Sam|0=}}, {{Hn|Wynona|0=}}, Any updates from [[Homecoming (HotA)]]</s>
#* Campaign heroes with profiles: See [[Template:Campaign hero (profile) table]]. Status:
#** ab: [[Catherine]], [[Roland]], [[Gelu]], <s>[[Dracon]], [[Xeron]], [[Haart Lich]],</s> [[Mutare]], [[Mutare Drake]], <s>[[Boragus]], [[Kilgor]], [[Adrienne]]</s>
#** hota: [[Bidley]], <s>[[Tark]], [[Tavin]], [[Murdoch]], [[Frederick]]</s>
#* <s>Campaign heroes with portraits: See [[Template:Campaign hero (pic) table]].</s>
#* <s>Reskins: See list in [[Template:Campaign hero table (reskins)]].</s>
#* Add story info updates from the new [[All In]] campaign.
# Maps for: [[Regna]], [[Terra Nova]]
# Information from [https://www.celestialheavens.com/forum/topic/17752 this forum post] may prove useful for assorted bits of information.
# Update lore for characters that are mentioned or appear in {{homm4}}.
# Fill out [[Foolhardy Waywardness references]]
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== New Features (in progress) ==
# Maps (Lead: Legate)
#* Questions:
#*# Does [[Land of the Giants]] belong to [[AvLee]], [[Eeofol]] or [[Nighon]]?
#*#* Nighon: The [[Antagarich]] physical map colors it like [[Nighon]].
#*#** This agrees with [[Antagarich#Geography]] that Turnam just added. This states: "The Dungeon Overlords rule the eastern shores of the Erathian continent, as well as the Nighon islands off the coast."
#*#* Eeofol: [[World on Fire]] intro makes it seem like part of the halfling homeland.
#*#** Aren't "Eeofol" and "Land of the Giants" synonyms anyway? In MM7, the "tunnels to Eeofol" lead you to the Land of the Giants region. --[[User:Turnam|Turnam]] ([[User talk:Turnam|talk]]) 08:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
#*#* AvLee: What we currently have on the maps.
#*#* RESOLUTION: [[Land of the Giants]] was part of the halfling homeland of [[Eeofol]] before the [[Night of Shooting Stars]]. It seems as though when the [[Kreegan]]s conquered [[Eeofol]], [[Nighon]] opportunistically grabbed it to create a foothold on the main continent. Since our maps are based ~1167 AS, lets change it to Nighon and add some explanation about this. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 13:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
#*# I think the [[Contested Lands]] section is not entirely accurate. I think some of the regions listed may actually be part of Erathia.
#*#* [[Forestdale (region)]] should be part of [[Erathia]] (See [[Talk:Contested Lands]]). Pages/maps need to be updated.
#*#* Possibly move regions to [[Contested Lands]]. Consider: [[Marble Garden]], [[Forestdon]], [[Forestbury]], [[Forestlow]], [[Strongwillow]], [[Woodgrove]].
#*#** If we move these areas, they should be double-listed in [[Erathia]] and [[Contested Lands]] as both are true over the course of the game.
#*#* RESOLUTION: It seems like most of the [[AvLee]]-[[Erathia]] border was considered "Contested Lands" at some point. Only a portion of this region broke off from [[Erathia]] to form the nation of the "Contested Lands". Change maps/listings appropriately.
# [[List of games set in Enroth (world)]] (Lead: None)

== Desired Additions ==
{{About|Things we would like to add to the wiki in the near future that no one has started work on (yet).}}
# Make a supporting characters page. (See [[:Category: Supporting character]]). Have sortable columns for name/affiliation/species.
# Create Lore page that will fit all main information and links to all detailed pages on the lore (we can include chronology, politics, [[Lost Lore]], etc. into this). - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
#* Are you envisioning something different than the Lore tab on the main menu? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 13:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
#** Yes, something more akin to f.e. [https://www.gildia.acidcave.net/chronologia_ashanu.html acidcave's Ashan lore page], which explains in details the entire timeline, plot of each campaign, notes on all important backstory events mention; it also covers what happened to most of relevant campaign characters at every point (here the Queen was born, here Sandro's parents was killed, here Markal became his student etc.) all in one nice to read text. I wish something like this existed for H3; I, sadly, don't know enough about heroes 3 lore to write it (and then I wouldn't wish for it). - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
# Make a modified version of each country map that shows the country in question with the regions written in.
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