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| == Missing campaign info == | | == Missing campaign info == |
| * Please tell me if any other campaign info is missing, while I don't usually focus on that part of the wiki, I'll gladly find you the appropriate text from the campaigns. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
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| * Glad to see you! I would be happy to tell you that the special victory conditions of [[Hurry Up and Wait]], [[Farming Towns]] and [[Taming of the Wild]] are missing. The first one's victory condition is ''Survive beyond a time limit or Defeat All Enemies''. The second one's is ''Defeat all monsters or Defeat All Enemies''. The third one is ''Defeat all monsters''. However, I didn't find a proper template which can show the special info and I am not good at create a new template. The icons for these victory conditions are the same as those for ''Defeating All Enemies''. I will manually export the maps these days and check if there are any missing text. (My English is not very good, so maybe the meanings are not clear, sorry about that.) - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]])
| | Please tell me if any other campaign info is missing, while I don't usually focus on that part of the wiki, I'll gladly find you the appropriate text from the campaigns. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]]) |
| * It's so weird how I've never before seen Foolhardy Weariness or Playing with Fire. Somehow I missed them all these years. But nonetheless:
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| ** Hurry up and go is Loss: Lose a specific hero (Christian the Knight), Victory: None (so defeat all enemies)
| | Glad to see you! I would be happy to tell you that the special victory conditions of [[Hurry Up and Wait]], [[Farming Towns]] and [[Taming of the Wild]] are missing. The first one's victory condition is ''Survive beyond a time limit or Defeat All Enemies''. The second one's is ''Defeat all monsters or Defeat All Enemies''. The third one is ''Defeat all monsters''. However, I didn't find a proper template which can show the special info and I am not good at create a new template. The icons for these victory conditions are the same as those for ''Defeating All Enemies''. I will manually export the maps these days and check if there are any missing text. (My English is not very good, so maybe the meanings are not clear, sorry about that.) - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) |
| ** Farming Towns: Loss: Lose Adrienne, Victory: None (so defeat all enemies)
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| ** Taming the Wild: Loss: Time limit: 4 months. Win: None (so defeat all enemies).
| | It's so weird how I've never before seen Foolhardy Weariness or Playing with Fire. Somehow I missed them all these years. But nonetheless: |
| * That's what I found from the exported campaign maps. Cheers. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
| | * Hurry up and go is Loss: Lose a specific hero (Christian the Knight), Victory: None (so defeat all enemies) |
| * I have exported these campaign maps before. But in fact, the victory conditions are just these things mentioned above in game. I have some screenshots. Would you like to see them? If you have played these campaigns before, I'm sure that you won't doubt my words. XD -[[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]])
| | * Farming Towns: Loss: Lose Adrienne, Victory: None (so defeat all enemies) |
| * I use h3maped to view the Victory condition. I played all Armageddon's blade, but it seems I somehow missed Foolhardy Weariness and Playing with Fire, I don't know how, it's peculiar. I don't doubt that these campaigns exist or that their conditions are missing. Often campaigns include different text than an actual loss condition or vice versa. While World on Fire doesn't say that you can't lose Henrietta or Frederick on map 2, you can't because otherwise you can't play the next map. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
| | * Taming the Wild: Loss: Time limit: 4 months. Win: None (so defeat all enemies). |
| * O.O You should've seen my face when I saw those screenshots. What? How? How is this possible? What? I have so many questions... Do both conditions actually work? - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
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| * YES!!! THE CONDITIONS WORK!!! It means the two new Horn of the Abyss special victory conditions '''both come from''' campaigns in Armageddon's Blade!!! I have edited [[Victory and Loss Conditions]] since I found the fact(in user commentary). I also have the screenshots after completing the special victory conditions, but they were lost. But I can give you the texts. Would you mind visiting the user commentary for these three campaigns? - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]])
| | That's what I found from the exported campaign maps. Cheers. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]]) |
| * Check out the new file. I forgot that this is what the HotA map editor already does somehow. But it is still a big deal, now that we have the new campaign editor. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
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| * I think part of the issue is that some campaign levels are coded with multiple victory/loss conditions, but the in-game display and the map editor don't support that (as far as I know). --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
| | I have exported these campaign maps before. But in fact, the victory conditions are just these things mentioned above in game. I have some screenshots. Would you like to see them? If you have played these campaigns before, I'm sure that you won't doubt my words. XD -[[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) |
| ** e.g. [[Fall of Sandro]] is technically a Time Expires loss condition, but you also lose if any of the main heroes are defeated (so a secondary Lose Hero condition).
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| ** If there were some way to view these secondary loss conditions, I would definitely be up for modifying the scenario template/pages (see [[Template: ScenarioVars table]]), but so far we haven't figured out a way to get this info other than trial and error/guess :(
| | I use h3maped to view the Victory condition. I played all Armageddon's blade, but it seems I somehow missed Foolhardy Weariness and Playing with Fire, I don't know how, it's peculiar. I don't doubt that these campaigns exist or that their conditions are missing. Often campaigns include different text than an actual loss condition or vice versa. While World on Fire doesn't say that you can't lose Henrietta or Frederick on map 2, you can't because otherwise you can't play the next map. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]]) |
| * In fact, if you can extract ''VcDesc.txt'' in the encrypted file ''H3ab_bmp.lod'' under the ''Data'' folder, you will see the hidden two special victory conditions at the end of this file. So these victory conditions are '''just AB's contents''', not HotA's contents. HotA map editor just unhided the two conditions. But strangely, HotA map editor can't identify these special campaign maps with the hidden special victory conditions. I supposed the two hidden conditions are inside the game, not inside the maps or the campaigns. - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) (By the way, the new campaign editor is really useful!)
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| * So do we need to use HotA victory conditions in these special campaign? Or create new attribute templates for those? - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]])
| | O.O You should've seen my face when I saw those screenshots. What? How? How is this possible? What? I have so many questions... Do both conditions actually work? - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]]) |
| *That's crazy how the original campaigns have two loss conditions and the modern hota mapmaker cannot even do that. Clearly, we need an update. And I guess you could make it into a special victory condition {{ab}}? Something like that? After all it does appear in AB campaigns and there only. On the other hand, it cannot be chosen in the Map Editor... Tough choice. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
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| * Sanust - if you update the victory/loss conditions on the campaign scenario pages, make sure to also update the campaign pages (e.g. [[Playing with Fire]]) and the map list (e.g. [[List of campaign maps (HotA)]]). --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
| | YES!!! THE CONDITIONS WORK!!! It means the two new Horn of the Abyss special victory conditions '''both come from''' campaigns in Armageddon's Blade!!! I have edited [[Victory and Loss Conditions]] since I found the fact(in user commentary). I also have the screenshots after completing the special victory conditions, but they were lost. But I can give you the texts. Would you mind visiting the user commentary for these three campaigns? - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) |
| ** OK! Thank you for your reminder! --[[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) 14:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| | Check out the new file. I forgot that this is what the HotA map editor already does somehow. But it is still a big deal, now that we have the new campaign editor. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]]) |
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| | In fact, if you can extract ''VcDesc.txt'' in the encrypted file ''H3ab_bmp.lod'' under the ''Data'' folder, you will see the hidden two special victory conditions at the end of this file. So these victory conditions are '''just AB's contents''', not HotA's contents. HotA map editor just unhided the two conditions. But strangely, HotA map editor can't identify these special campaign maps with the hidden special victory conditions. I supposed the two hidden conditions are inside the game, not inside the maps or the campaigns. - [[User:Sanust|Sanust]] ([[User talk:Sanust|talk]]) (By the way, the new campaign editor is really useful!) |
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| File:Farming Towns - Defeat All Monsters or Defeat All Enemies.png|Farming Towns | | File:Farming Towns - Defeat All Monsters or Defeat All Enemies.png|Farming Towns |
| File:Hurry Up and Wait - Survive Beyond a Time Limit or Defeat All Enemies.png|Hurry Up and Wait | | File:Hurry Up and Wait - Survive Beyond a Time Limit or Defeat All Enemies.png|Hurry Up and Wait |
| File:Victory conditions example h3hotamaped.png|HotA Map Editor Special Victory Condition | | File:Victory conditions example h3hotamaped.png |
| </gallery> | | </gallery> |