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Replaced content with "Random bits for fun. User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots == Vori: Bulwark vs. Palace == {| class="wikitable" ! !! {{Town|Bulwark}} !! {{Town|Palace}} |- ! Alignment | Neutral || Good |- ! Visual Style | Dwarven Arts Déco || Faerie/Asian |- ! Mood | Grimdark || High Fantasy |- ! Tier 1 | Kobold -> Kobold Foreman || Nisse -> Tomte or Viking -> Einherjar |- ! Tier 2 | Argali (goat) || Ice Maiden -> Yuki Onna |- ! Tier 3 | Snow Elf (hunter) || White Tig..."
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== [[Pathfinding]] vs. [[Logistics]] ==
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| style=" background:#00000060!important;" |
{| cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border: 1px solid black; margin:0 0 0 0; text-align: center; background:#{{Tan 4}};"
|+ style="text-align:center;" | {{swh}} '''Maximum tiles moved depending on tile cost''' {{swh}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 2}}A0!important;"
! Movement points !! [[File:Road3 (cobblestone) 32x32.gif]] 50 !! [[File:Road2 (gravel) 32x32.gif]] 65 !! [[File:Road1 (dirt) 32x32.gif]] 75 !! [[File:Dirt (s).gif]][[File:Grass (s).gif]][[File:Lava (s).gif]][[File:Subterranean (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:Highlands (s).gif]]}} 100 !! [[File:Rough (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:wasteland (s).gif]]}} 125 !! [[File:Sand (s).gif]] 150 !! [[File:Swamp (s).gif]] 175
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1500
| 30 || 23 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || 15
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1560
| 31 || 24 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|37|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|27}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 31 || 24 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || 15
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1630
| 32 || 25 || 21 || 16 || 13 || 10 || 9
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|39|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|26|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|21}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 32 || 25 || 21 || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || 16
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1700
| 34 || 26 || 22 || 17 || 13 || 11 || 9
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|40|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|29}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 34 || 26 || 22 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1760
| 35 || 27 || 23 || 17 || 14 || 11 || 10
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|42|45}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|35}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 35 || 27 || 23 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1830
| 36 || 28 || 24 || 18 || 14 || 12 || 10
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|43|47}} || {{swh|noicon=|33|36}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|23}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 36 || 28 || 24 || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || 18
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1900
| 38 || 29 || 25 || 19 || 15 || 12 || 10
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|45|49}} || {{swh|noicon=|35|38}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|24}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 38 || 29 || 25 || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || 19
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1960
| 39 || 30 || 26 || 19 || 15 || 13 || 11
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|47|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|25}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 39 || 30 || 26 || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || 19
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 2000
| 40 || 30 || 26 || 20 || 16 || 13 || 11
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|48|52}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || 20
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 2000+[[File:Boots of Speed am-artif.gif]][[File:Equestrian's Gloves am-artif.gif]][[File:Castle Stables.gif|32px]]
| {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|69|85}} || {{swh|noicon=|53|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|46|57}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|24}}
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}}
|}
|}
This table shows how many tiles in a straight line (not diagonal) a hero can move, depending on how much movement points it starts with and the cost of movement. For each amount, the movement is shown for basic move (without any movement skill), with Expert-level Logistics (which increases by the hero's movement points by {{swh|20%|30%|noicon=}}), or Expert-level Pathfinding (which reduces the movement cost down by 75 points down to a minimum of {{swh|85|100|noicon=}}).
* Pathfinding is useless on roads. Obviously, it will not find better paths than the roads.
* Logistics is {{swh|slightly|noicon=}} better on easy terrains{{swh||, slightly better on rough terrain,|noicon=}} and especially good on roads.
* Pathfinding is{{swh| better on rough and wasteland terrains, and markedly |noicon=}} better on sand and swamp.
== [[Vori]]: [[Bulwark]] vs. [[Palace]] ==
== [[Vori]]: [[Bulwark]] vs. [[Palace]] ==
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| Huge horn || Astrologer & Market of Time
| Huge horn || Astrologer & Market of Time
|}
|}
== Towns and Resources ==
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! [[Resource]]<br/>&<br/>[[Resource Silo|Silo]] !! [[File:Mercury (bonus).png]] !! [[File:Sulfur (bonus).png]] !! [[File:Crystal (bonus).png]] !! [[File:Gem (bonus).png]]
|-
! [[File:Basic (bonus).png]]
| {{Town|Necropolis|noname=}} || {{Town|Fortress|noname=}} || {{Town|Stronghold|noname=}} || {{Town|Castle|noname=}}
|-
! [[File:Magic (bonus).png]] || {{Town|Inferno|noname=}}<br/>{{Town|Conflux|noname=}} || {{Town|Dungeon|noname=}}{{swh|<br/>{{Town|Cove|noname=}}|noicon=}} || {{Town|Rampart|noname=}}{{swh|<br/>{{Town|Factory|noname=}}|noicon=}} || {{Town|Tower|noname=}}
|}
|}
Observation of low relevance:
* In RoE, the Castle did not need gems for its seventh-level units, so it was only associated with basic resources. That made gems the only resource not to have two associated factions.
* Mercury is associated only with evil factions in RoE. The addition of the Conflux allowed this resource to also be associated with a neutral faction.
* Sulfur is associated with both evil and neutral factions.
* Crystal is associated with both good and neutral factions.
* Gem is associated only with good factions.
* It's very likely that {{Town|Bulwark}} will be associated with Gem too, as that's the only resource without a third town associated to it in HotA.
* It's somewhat likely that the {{Town|Palace}}, {{Town|Forge}}, and {{Town|Grotto}} will be associated with sulfur, crystal, and gem, so that each magical resource has three associated towns in DoR. My personal guess would be Sulfur for Forge, as that really goes well with the industrial/pollution theme. Then crystal for Grotto seems straightforward. That would leave gems for Palace.

Revision as of 11:51, 29 March 2025

Random bits for fun. User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots

Vori: Bulwark vs. Palace

Bulwark Palace
Alignment Neutral Good
Visual Style Dwarven Arts Déco Faerie/Asian
Mood Grimdark High Fantasy
Tier 1 Kobold -> Kobold Foreman Nisse -> Tomte or Viking -> Einherjar
Tier 2 Argali (goat) Ice Maiden -> Yuki Onna
Tier 3 Snow Elf (hunter) White Tiger -> Sabertooth
Tier 4 Yeti -> Mountain Spirit Snow Elf -> High Elf (mage)
Tier 5 (Snow Elf) Shaman Yeti
Tier 6 Mammoth -> Armored Mammoth Kirin
Tier 7 Jotunn -> Jotunn Warlord Frost Giant -> Jotun or Valkyrie
Mages Guild 3? 5
War Machine ??? ???
Resource Silo ??? ???
Shipyard ??? Yes
Artifact Merchants ??? ???
Specific Buildings Huge horn Astrologer & Market of Time
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