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[[User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots]]
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== [[Pathfinding]] vs. [[Logistics]] ==
== [[Pathfinding]] vs. [[Logistics]] ==
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|+ style="text-align:center;" | {{swh}} '''Maximum tiles moved depending on tile cost''' {{swh}}
|+ style="text-align:center;" | {{swh}} '''Maximum tiles moved depending on tile cost''' {{swh}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 2}};"
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 2}}A0!important;"
! Movement points !! [[File:Road3 (cobblestone) 32x32.gif]] 50 !! [[File:Road2 (gravel) 32x32.gif]] 65 !! [[File:Road1 (dirt) 32x32.gif]] 75 !! [[File:Dirt (s).gif]][[File:Grass (s).gif]][[File:Lava (s).gif]][[File:Subterranean (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:Highlands (s).gif]]}} 100 !! [[File:Rough (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:wasteland (s).gif]]}} 125 !! [[File:Sand (s).gif]] 150 !! [[File:Swamp (s).gif]] 175
! Movement points !! [[File:Road3 (cobblestone) 32x32.gif]] 50 !! [[File:Road2 (gravel) 32x32.gif]] 65 !! [[File:Road1 (dirt) 32x32.gif]] 75 !! [[File:Dirt (s).gif]][[File:Grass (s).gif]][[File:Lava (s).gif]][[File:Subterranean (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:Highlands (s).gif]]}} 100 !! [[File:Rough (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:wasteland (s).gif]]}} 125 !! [[File:Sand (s).gif]] 150 !! [[File:Swamp (s).gif]] 175
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1500
! 1500
| 30 || 23 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
| 30 || 23 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-  
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || 15
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || 15
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1560
! 1560
| 31 || 24 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
| 31 || 24 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|37|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|27}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|37|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|27}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 31 || 24 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || 15
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 31 || 24 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || 15
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1630
! 1630
| 32 || 25 || 21 || 16 || 13 || 10 || 9
| 32 || 25 || 21 || 16 || 13 || 10 || 9
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|39|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|26|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|21}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|39|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|26|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|21}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 32 || 25 || 21 || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || 16
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 32 || 25 || 21 || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || 16
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1700
! 1700
| 34 || 26 || 22 || 17 || 13 || 11 || 9
| 34 || 26 || 22 || 17 || 13 || 11 || 9
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|40|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|29}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|40|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|29}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 34 || 26 || 22 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 34 || 26 || 22 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1760
! 1760
| 35 || 27 || 23 || 17 || 14 || 11 || 10
| 35 || 27 || 23 || 17 || 14 || 11 || 10
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|42|45}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|35}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|42|45}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|35}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 35 || 27 || 23 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 35 || 27 || 23 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1830
! 1830
| 36 || 28 || 24 || 18 || 14 || 12 || 10
| 36 || 28 || 24 || 18 || 14 || 12 || 10
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|43|47}} || {{swh|noicon=|33|36}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|23}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|43|47}} || {{swh|noicon=|33|36}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|23}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 36 || 28 || 24 || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || 18
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 36 || 28 || 24 || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || 18
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1900
! 1900
| 38 || 29 || 25 || 19 || 15 || 12 || 10
| 38 || 29 || 25 || 19 || 15 || 12 || 10
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|45|49}} || {{swh|noicon=|35|38}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|24}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|45|49}} || {{swh|noicon=|35|38}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|24}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 38 || 29 || 25 || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || 19
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 38 || 29 || 25 || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || 19
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 1960
! 1960
| 39 || 30 || 26 || 19 || 15 || 13 || 11
| 39 || 30 || 26 || 19 || 15 || 13 || 11
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|47|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|25}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|47|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|25}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 39 || 30 || 26 || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || 19
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 39 || 30 || 26 || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || 19
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 2000
! 2000
| 40 || 30 || 26 || 20 || 16 || 13 || 11
| 40 || 30 || 26 || 20 || 16 || 13 || 11
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|48|52}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|48|52}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || 20
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || 20
|-
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 3}}A0!important;"
! 2000+[[File:Boots of Speed am-artif.gif]][[File:Equestrian's Gloves am-artif.gif]][[File:Castle Stables.gif|32px]]
! 2000+[[File:Boots of Speed am-artif.gif]][[File:Equestrian's Gloves am-artif.gif]][[File:Castle Stables.gif|32px]]
| {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}}
| {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|69|85}} || {{swh|noicon=|53|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|46|57}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|24}}
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|69|85}} || {{swh|noicon=|53|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|46|57}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|24}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}}
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}}
|}
|}
|}
This table shows how many tiles in a straight line (not diagonal) a hero can move, depending on how much movement points it starts with and the cost of movement. For each amount, the movement is shown for basic move (without any movement skill), with Expert-level Logistics (which increases by the hero's movement points by {{swh|20%|30%|noicon=}}), or Expert-level Pathfinding (which reduces the movement cost down by 75 points down to a minimum of {{swh|85|100|noicon=}}).
This table shows how many tiles in a straight line (not diagonal) a hero can move, depending on how much movement points it starts with and the cost of movement. For each amount, the movement is shown for basic move (without any movement skill), with Expert-level Logistics (which increases by the hero's movement points by {{swh|20%|30%|noicon=}}), or Expert-level Pathfinding (which reduces the movement cost down by 75 points down to a minimum of {{swh|85|100|noicon=}}).

Revision as of 11:57, 23 March 2025

Random bits for fun. User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots

Pathfinding vs. Logistics

 Horn of the Abyss Maximum tiles moved depending on tile cost  Horn of the Abyss
Movement points 50 65 75 100 125 150 175
1500 30 23 20 15 12 10 8
36 27 24 18 14 12 10
30 23 20 17 17 17 15
1560 31 24 20 15 12 10 8
37 28 24 18 14 12 10
31 24 20 18 18 18 15
1630 32 25 21 16 13 10 9
39 30 26 19 15 13 11
32 25 21 19 19 19 16
1700 34 26 22 17 13 11 9
40 31 27 20 16 13 11
34 26 22 20 20 20 17
1760 35 27 23 17 14 11 10
42 32 28 21 16 14 12
35 27 23 20 20 20 17
1830 36 28 24 18 14 12 10
43 33 29 21 17 14 12
36 28 24 21 21 21 18
1900 38 29 25 19 15 12 10
45 35 30 22 18 15 13
38 29 25 22 22 22 19
1960 39 30 26 19 15 13 11
47 36 31 23 18 15 13
39 30 26 23 23 23 19
2000 40 30 26 20 16 13 11
48 36 32 24 19 16 13
30 23 20 23 23 23 20
2000+ 58 44 38 29 23 19 16
69 53 46 34 27 23 19
58 44 38 34 34 34 29

This table shows how many tiles in a straight line (not diagonal) a hero can move, depending on how much movement points it starts with and the cost of movement. For each amount, the movement is shown for basic move (without any movement skill), with Expert-level Logistics (which increases by the hero's movement points by 20%), or Expert-level Pathfinding (which reduces the movement cost down by 75 points down to a minimum of 85).

  • Pathfinding is useless on roads. Obviously, it will not find better paths than the roads.
  • Logistics is slightly better on easy terrains and especially good on roads.
  • Pathfinding is better on rough and wasteland terrains, and markedly better on sand and swamp.


Vori: Bulwark vs. Palace

Bulwark Palace
Alignment Neutral Good
Visual Style Dwarven Arts Déco Faerie/Asian
Mood Grimdark High Fantasy
Tier 1 Kobold -> Kobold Foreman Nisse -> Tomte or Viking -> Einherjar
Tier 2 Argali (goat) Ice Maiden -> Yuki Onna
Tier 3 Snow Elf (hunter) White Tiger -> Sabertooth
Tier 4 Yeti -> Mountain Spirit Snow Elf -> High Elf (mage)
Tier 5 (Snow Elf) Shaman Yeti
Tier 6 Mammoth -> Armored Mammoth Kirin
Tier 7 Jotunn -> Jotunn Warlord Frost Giant -> Jotun or Valkyrie
Mages Guild 3? 5
War Machine ??? ???
Resource Silo ??? ???
Shipyard ??? Yes
Artifact Merchants ??? ???
Specific Buildings Huge horn Astrologer & Market of Time
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