Talk:Cloak of the Undead King: Difference between revisions

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overpowered?[edit | hide | hide all]

I think this artifact is almost overpowered because it is easy to amass swarms of liches on large maps. I have played games where I have gotten over 500 Liches due to luck in finding the artifacts and Expert Necromancy before level 5. At any rate it increases the sheer power of Necropolis even more. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by BlackHeart (talk • contribs) 11:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. But good luck doing Sandro's campaign without it. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by Sandmanahoy (talk • contribs) 21:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hells yeah, Sandro is a bitch to do without my lucky liches! — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.202.178.251 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Question 1[edit | hide]

Does anyone know if the Cloak of the Undead King affects transformations done through the skeletal transformer? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.3.246.144 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

No. It does not. The transformer only makes skeletons in a 1:1 ratio. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.90.168.12 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Addition[edit | hide]

Does it mean that this Cloak adds +60% to Necromancy in total with item Effects? --HaxLi 21:06, 5 March 2014 (CET)

It is 30% in total (SoD). I've just made a test: a hero with basic Necromncy and the artifact killed 1000 elves and got 400 walking dead (40%, 10% from Necromancy, 30% from the artifact). The page data is wrong.

Question 2[edit | hide]

Within ordinary necromancy skill, normal skeletons are raised. But if there is no slot left and at least one slot of skeleton warriors, I force the game to give me skeleton warrioirs. However, only in count of 2/3 of normal skeletons. Does this rule work also in case of liches/power liches? It is better to have 15 liches instead of 10 power liches. An additional question to calculation, the entire case: expert necromancy: 30 Isra on level 10: 30*0,05*10 = 15 1x Necromancy Amplifier: 10 Amulet of the Undertaker: 5 Vampire's Cowl: 10 Dead Man's Boots: 15 Cloak of the Undead King: it is said 30%, but are the source artifacts counted in it, or do we have additional +30%? Or is the only effect, that this 30% may be also from allied creatures?

So, this Isra will raise 30% of allied + (85% or 100%) of enemy units into liches? or x (1 or 2/3) into power liches?

just leaving it here[edit | hide]

SoD
	no necro	basic necro			advanced necro			expert necro
			15 hp			18 hp			30 hp
	cloak	no arts	combo cloak	broken cloak	no arts	combo cloak	broken cloak	no arts	combo cloak	broken cloak
1000 peasants (1 hp)	50	16	26	66	32	27	82	50	20	100
1000 imps (4 hp)	200	66	106	266	132	110	332	200	80	400
1000 gnolls (6 hp)	300	100	160	400	200	166	500	300	120	600
(3 stacks)	298	99	159	399	198	165	499	298	118	598
1000 nomads (30 hp)	300	100	400	400	200	500	500	300	600	600
(3 stacks)	298	99	399	399	198	499	499	298	598	598
SoD (upgraded creatures)
	no necro	basic necro			advanced necro			expert necro
			20 hp			18 hp			40 hp
	cloak	no arts	combo cloak	broken cloak	no arts	combo cloak	broken cloak	no arts	combo cloak	broken cloak
1000 peasants	34	11	18	44	22	18	55	34	14	67
1000 imps	132	44	70	177	88	74	222	132	54	266
1000 gnolls	200	67	107	267	134	111	334	200	80	400
(3 stacks)	199	66	106	266	132	110	333	199	79	399
1000 nomads	200	67	267	267	134	334	334	200	400	400
(3 stacks)	199	66	266	266	132	333	333	199	399	399
1002 gnolls		67		267
(3 stacks)		66 (???)		266 (??!)

--GroundhogYear (talk) 16:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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+== overpowered? ==
 I think this artifact is almost overpowered because it is easy to amass swarms of liches on large maps. I have played games where I have gotten over 500 Liches due to luck in finding the artifacts and Expert Necromancy before level 5. At any rate it increases the sheer power of Necropolis even more.  <small><span class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User: BlackHeart | BlackHeart ]] ([[User talk: BlackHeart |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ BlackHeart |contribs]])  11:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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 :No. It does not. The transformer only makes skeletons in a 1:1 ratio. <small><span class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User: 78.90.168.12 | 78.90.168.12 ]] ([[User talk: 78.90.168.12 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ 78.90.168.12 |contribs]])  21:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
+== Addition ==
+Does it mean that this Cloak adds +60% to [[Necromancy]] in total with item Effects? --[[User:HaxLi|HaxLi]] 21:06, 5 March 2014 (CET)
+It is 30% in total (SoD). I've just made a test: a hero with basic Necromncy and the artifact killed 1000 elves and got 400 walking dead (40%, 10% from Necromancy, 30% from the artifact). The page data is wrong.
+== Question 2 ==
+Within ordinary necromancy skill, normal skeletons are raised. But if there is no slot left and at least one slot of skeleton warriors, I force the game to give me skeleton warrioirs. However, only in count of 2/3 of normal skeletons.
+Does this rule work also in case of liches/power liches? It is better to have 15 liches instead of 10 power liches.
+An additional question to calculation, the entire case:
+expert necromancy: 30
+Isra on level 10: 30*0,05*10 = 15
+x Necromancy Amplifier: 10
+Amulet of the Undertaker: 5
+Vampire's Cowl: 10
+Dead Man's Boots: 15
+Cloak of the Undead King: it is said 30%, but are the source artifacts counted in it, or do we have additional +30%?
+Or is the only effect, that this 30% may be also from allied creatures?
+So, this Isra will raise 30% of allied + (85% or 100%) of enemy units into liches? or x (1 or 2/3) into power liches?
+== just leaving it here ==
+{| class="wikitable"
+! colspan=20 | SoD
+|-
+| || no necro || colspan=3 | basic necro || colspan=3 | advanced necro || colspan=3 | expert necro
+|-
+|  || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Walking Dead |noname=}} 15 hp || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Wight|noname=}} 18 hp || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Lich|noname=}} 30 hp || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}}
+|-
+|  || cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak
+|-
+| 1000 peasants (1 hp) || 50 || 16 || 26 || 66 || 32 || 27 || 82 || 50 || 20 || 100
+|-
+| 1000 imps (4 hp) || 200 || 66 || 106 || 266 || 132 || 110 || 332 || 200 || 80 || 400
+|-
+| 1000 gnolls (6 hp) || 300 || 100 || 160 || 400 || 200 || 166 || 500 || 300 || 120 || 600
+|-
+| (3 stacks) || 298 || 99 || 159 || 399 || 198 || 165 || 499 || 298 || 118 || 598
+|-
+| 1000 nomads (30 hp) || 300 || 100 || 400 || 400 || 200 || 500 || 500 || 300 || 600 || 600
+|-
+| (3 stacks) || 298 || 99 || 399 || 399 || 198 || 499 || 499 || 298 || 598 || 598
+|-
+! colspan=20 | SoD (upgraded creatures)
+|-
+| || no necro || colspan=3 | basic necro || colspan=3 | advanced necro || colspan=3 | expert necro
+|-
+|  || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Zombie |noname=}} 20 hp || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Wraith|noname=}} 18 hp || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Power Lich|noname=}} 40 hp || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}}
+|-
+|  || cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak
+|-
+| 1000 peasants || 34 || 11 || 18 || 44 || 22 || 18 || 55 || 34 || 14 || 67
+|-
+| 1000 imps || 132 || 44 || 70 || 177 || 88 || 74 || 222 || 132 || 54 || 266
+|-
+| 1000 gnolls || 200 || 67 || 107 || 267 || 134 || 111 || 334 || 200 || 80 || 400
+|-
+| (3 stacks) || 199 || 66 || 106 || 266 || 132 || 110 || 333 || 199 || 79 || 399
+|-
+| 1000 nomads || 200 || 67 || 267 || 267 || 134 || 334 || 334 || 200 || 400 || 400
+|-
+| (3 stacks) || 199 || 66 || 266 || 266 || 132 || 333 || 333 || 199 || 399 || 399
+|-
+| 1002 gnolls ||  || 67 ||  || 267 ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||
+|-
+| (3 stacks) ||  || 66 (???) ||  || 266 (??!) ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||
+|} --[[User:GroundhogYear|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear|talk]]) 16:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)