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So, this Isra will raise 30% of allied + (85% or 100%) of enemy units into liches? or x (1 or 2/3) into power liches?
So, this Isra will raise 30% of allied + (85% or 100%) of enemy units into liches? or x (1 or 2/3) into power liches?
== just leaving it here ==
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=20 | SoD
|-
| || no necro || colspan=3 | basic necro || colspan=3 | advanced necro || colspan=3 | expert necro
|-
|  || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Walking Dead |noname=}} 15 hp || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Wight|noname=}} 18 hp || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}} || {{cn| Lich|noname=}} 30 hp || {{cn| Skeleton|noname=}}
|-
|  || cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak
|-
| 1000 peasants (1 hp) || 50 || 16 || 26 || 66 || 32 || 27 || 82 || 50 || 20 || 100
|-
| 1000 imps (4 hp) || 200 || 66 || 106 || 266 || 132 || 110 || 332 || 200 || 80 || 400
|-
| 1000 gnolls (6 hp) || 300 || 100 || 160 || 400 || 200 || 166 || 500 || 300 || 120 || 600
|-
| (3 stacks) || 298 || 99 || 159 || 399 || 198 || 165 || 499 || 298 || 118 || 598
|-
| 1000 nomads (30 hp) || 300 || 100 || 400 || 400 || 200 || 500 || 500 || 300 || 600 || 600
|-
| (3 stacks) || 298 || 99 || 399 || 399 || 198 || 499 || 499 || 298 || 598 || 598
|-
! colspan=20 | SoD (upgraded creatures)
|-
| || no necro || colspan=3 | basic necro || colspan=3 | advanced necro || colspan=3 | expert necro
|-
|  || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Zombie |noname=}} 20 hp || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Wraith|noname=}} 18 hp || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}} || {{cn| Power Lich|noname=}} 40 hp || {{cn| Skeleton Warrior|noname=}}
|-
|  || cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak || no arts || combo cloak || broken cloak
|-
| 1000 peasants || 34 || 11 || 18 || 44 || 22 || 18 || 55 || 34 || 14 || 67
|-
| 1000 imps || 132 || 44 || 70 || 177 || 88 || 74 || 222 || 132 || 54 || 266
|-
| 1000 gnolls || 200 || 67 || 107 || 267 || 134 || 111 || 334 || 200 || 80 || 400
|-
| (3 stacks) || 199 || 66 || 106 || 266 || 132 || 110 || 333 || 199 || 79 || 399
|-
| 1000 nomads || 200 || 67 || 267 || 267 || 134 || 334 || 334 || 200 || 400 || 400
|-
| (3 stacks) || 199 || 66 || 266 || 266 || 132 || 333 || 333 || 199 || 399 || 399
|-
| 1002 gnolls ||  || 67 ||  || 267 ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||
|-
| (3 stacks) ||  || 66 (???) ||  || 266 (??!) ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||
|} --[[User:GroundhogYear|GroundhogYear]] ([[User talk:GroundhogYear|talk]]) 16:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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Discussion

The Cloak of the Undead King is extremely powerful and specially useful for Necropolis faction. As it only needs three artifacts, it is relatively easy to put together. As with Necromancy secondary skill, the creatures raised with the cloak can be received as upgraded versions, if the hero has all seven slots full at the end of the combat.

overpowered?

I think this artifact is almost overpowered because it is easy to amass swarms of liches on large maps. I have played games where I have gotten over 500 Liches due to luck in finding the artifacts and Expert Necromancy before level 5. At any rate it increases the sheer power of Necropolis even more. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by BlackHeart (talk • contribs) 11:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. But good luck doing Sandro's campaign without it. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by Sandmanahoy (talk • contribs) 21:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hells yeah, Sandro is a bitch to do without my lucky liches! — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.202.178.251 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Question 1

Does anyone know if the Cloak of the Undead King affects transformations done through the skeletal transformer? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.3.246.144 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

No. It does not. The transformer only makes skeletons in a 1:1 ratio. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.90.168.12 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Addidion

Does it mean that this Cloak adds +60% to Necromancy in total with item Effects? --HaxLi 21:06, 5 March 2014 (CET)

It is 30% in total (SoD). I've just made a test: a hero with basic Necromncy and the artifact killed 1000 elves and got 400 walking dead (40%, 10% from Necromancy, 30% from the artifact). The page data is wrong.

Question 2

Within ordinary necromancy skill, normal skeletons are raised. But if there is no slot left and at least one slot of skeleton warriors, I force the game to give me skeleton warrioirs. However, only in count of 2/3 of normal skeletons. Does this rule work also in case of liches/power liches? It is better to have 15 liches instead of 10 power liches. An additional question to calculation, the entire case: expert necromancy: 30 Isra on level 10: 30*0,05*10 = 15 1x Necromancy Amplifier: 10 Amulet of the Undertaker: 5 Vampire's Cowl: 10 Dead Man's Boots: 15 Cloak of the Undead King: it is said 30%, but are the source artifacts counted in it, or do we have additional +30%? Or is the only effect, that this 30% may be also from allied creatures?

So, this Isra will raise 30% of allied + (85% or 100%) of enemy units into liches? or x (1 or 2/3) into power liches?

just leaving it here

SoD
no necro basic necro advanced necro expert necro
Skeleton  Skeleton  Walking Dead  15 hp Skeleton  Skeleton  Wight  18 hp Skeleton  Skeleton  Lich  30 hp Skeleton 
cloak no arts combo cloak broken cloak no arts combo cloak broken cloak no arts combo cloak broken cloak
1000 peasants (1 hp) 50 16 26 66 32 27 82 50 20 100
1000 imps (4 hp) 200 66 106 266 132 110 332 200 80 400
1000 gnolls (6 hp) 300 100 160 400 200 166 500 300 120 600
(3 stacks) 298 99 159 399 198 165 499 298 118 598
1000 nomads (30 hp) 300 100 400 400 200 500 500 300 600 600
(3 stacks) 298 99 399 399 198 499 499 298 598 598
SoD (upgraded creatures)
no necro basic necro advanced necro expert necro
Skeleton Warrior  Skeleton Warrior  Zombie  20 hp Skeleton Warrior  Skeleton Warrior  Wraith  18 hp Skeleton Warrior  Skeleton Warrior  Power Lich  40 hp Skeleton Warrior 
cloak no arts combo cloak broken cloak no arts combo cloak broken cloak no arts combo cloak broken cloak
1000 peasants 34 11 18 44 22 18 55 34 14 67
1000 imps 132 44 70 177 88 74 222 132 54 266
1000 gnolls 200 67 107 267 134 111 334 200 80 400
(3 stacks) 199 66 106 266 132 110 333 199 79 399
1000 nomads 200 67 267 267 134 334 334 200 400 400
(3 stacks) 199 66 266 266 132 333 333 199 399 399
1002 gnolls 67 267
(3 stacks) 66 (???) 266 (??!)

--GroundhogYear (talk) 16:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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