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[[User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots]]
[[User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots]]


Heroes by skill combo:
Campaign icons


{| class=wikitable
Those are the splash screens corresponding to the thumbnails used for the campaigns on the campaign wall.
!  !! [[File:Expert Air Magic.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Archery.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Armorer.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Artillery.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Ballistics.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Diplomacy.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Eagle Eye.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Earth Magic.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Estates.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Fire Magic.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert First Aid.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Intelligence.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Interference.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Leadership.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Learning.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Logistics.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Luck.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Mysticism.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Navigation.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Necromancy.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Offense.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Pathfinding.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Resistance.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Scholar.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Scouting.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Sorcery.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Tactics.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Water Magic.png|46px]] !! [[File:Expert Wisdom.png|46px]]
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! [[Air Magic]]<br/>(2)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Aenain|noname=}} {{H|Brissa|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="2" | [[Archery]]<br/>(13)
| {{H|Jenova|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tancred|noname=}} || {{H|Wystan|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Gelu|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Orrin|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Valeska|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Kyrre|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Anabel|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Ivor|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Jabarkas|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Calh|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Wynona|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Murdoch|noname=}} ||  ||
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="3" | [[Armorer]]<br/>(18)
|  {{H|Marius|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tazar|noname=}} || {{H|Gerwulf|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Floribert|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Bron|noname=}} || {{H|Drakon|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Edric|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Mephala|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Roland|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Galthran|noname=}} || {{H|Alkin|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Dury|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tark|noname=}} || {{H|Korbac|noname=}} || {{H|Bron|noname=}} || {{H|Neela|noname=}} || {{H|Broghild|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Illor|noname=}} ||  ||
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="4" | [[Artillery]]<br/>(12)
|  || {{H|Morton|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Christian|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Pyre|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Ranloo|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Vokial|noname=}} || {{H|Arlach|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Gurnisson|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Ignissa|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Jeremy|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Pasis|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Zubin|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="5" | [[Ballistics]]<br/>(5)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Yog|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Olema|noname=}} {{H|Theodorus|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Uland|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="6" | [[Diplomacy]]<br/>(4)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Melchior|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Ryland|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Adela|noname=}} {{H|Cyra|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="8" | [[Eagle Eye]]<br/>(8)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Nimbus|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Ash|noname=}} {{H|Geon|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Malcom|noname=}} {{H|Oris|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Sanya|noname=}} {{H|Serena|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tiva|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="8" | [[Earth Magic]]<br/>(2)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Grindan|noname=}} {{H|Labetha|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="9" | [[Estates]]<br/>(8)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Lord Haart|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Leena|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Erdamon|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Mutare|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Mutare Drake|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Thunar|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Cuthbert|noname=}} {{H|Eanswythe|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="10" | [[Fire Magic]]<br/>(4)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Adrienne|noname=}} {{H|Inteus|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Luna|noname=}} {{H|Manfred|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="11" | [[First Aid]]<br/>(4)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Gem|noname=}} {{H|Rion|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Verdish|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="12" | [[Intelligence]]<br/>(11)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Nagash|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Iona|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Andra|noname=}} {{H|Ayden|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Caitlin|noname=}} {{H|Daremyth|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Elleshar|noname=}} {{H|Eovacius|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Frederick|noname=}} {{H|Sephinroth|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Wrathmont|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="13" | [[Interference]]<br/>(11)
|  {{H|Giselle|noname=}} || {{H|Ajit|noname=}} ||  ||  || {{H|Ufretin|noname=}} ||  ||  || {{H|Straker|noname=}} || {{H|Krellion|noname=}} || {{H|Clancy|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Fafner|noname=}} ||  ||  || {{H|Ignatius|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Saurug|noname=}} {{H|Zilare|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="14" | [[Leadership]]<br/>(25)
|  {{H|Sir Mullich|noname=}} ||  ||  || {{H|Henrietta|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Sylvia|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Catherine|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Derek|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Sorsha|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Ajit|noname=}} || {{H|Synca|noname=}} || {{H|Beatrice|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Lorelei|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Tyris|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Xeron|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Vey|noname=}} {{H|Xarfax|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="15" | [[Learning]]<br/>(9)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Moandor|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Xsi|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Kalt|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Calid|noname=}} {{H|Darkstorn|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Kinkeria|noname=}} {{H|Loynis|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Merist|noname=}} {{H|Victoria|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="16" | [[Logistics]]<br/>(6)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Monere|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Miriam|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Gunnar|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Dessa|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="17" | [[Luck (skill)|Luck]]<br/>(4)
|  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Ufretin|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Astra|noname=}} {{H|Melodia|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="18" | [[Mysticism]]<br/>(10)
|  ||  || {{H|Thant|noname=}} || {{H|Rissa|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Piquedram|noname=}} || {{H|Josephine|noname=}} || {{H|Torosar|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Axsis|noname=}} {{H|Halon|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Ingham|noname=}} {{H|Jaegar|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Rosic|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="19" | [[Navigation]]<br/>(3)
|  {{H|Elmore|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Voy|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="20" | [[Necromancy]]<br/>(18)
|  {{H|Isra|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Lord Haart Death Knight|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Vidomina|noname=}} || {{H|Clavius|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tamika|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Straker|noname=}} || {{H|Septienna|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Sandro|noname=}} || {{H|Charna|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Aislinn|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="21" | [[Offense]]<br/>(38)
|  {{H|Bidley|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Crag Hack|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Damacon|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Fiur|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Kilgor|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Nymus|noname=}} || {{H|Corkes|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Gretchin|noname=}} || {{H|Krellion|noname=}} || {{H|Octavia|noname=}} || {{H|Shiva|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tavin|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Boragus|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Cassiopeia|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Dace|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Sam|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Shakti|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Tyraxor|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Gundula|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="22" | [[Pathfinding]]<br/>(7)
|  || {{H|Clancy|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Andal|noname=}} {{H|Celestine|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="23" | [[Resistance]]<br/>(10)
|  {{H|Thorgrim|noname=}} || {{H|Fafner|noname=}} ||  ||  || {{H|Ignatius|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Saurug|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="24" | [[Scholar]]<br/>(13)
|  {{H|Thane|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Aine|noname=}} {{H|Alamar|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Bertram|noname=}} {{H|Coronius|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Rashka|noname=}} {{H|Xyron|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="25" | [[Scouting]]<br/>(12)
|  {{H|Fiona|noname=}} ||  ||  ||  || {{H|Aeris|noname=}} {{H|Deemer|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="26" | [[Sorcery]]<br/>(10)
|  ||  ||  || {{H|Alagar|noname=}} {{H|Gird|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Malekith|noname=}} {{H|Solmyr|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Spint|noname=}} {{H|Styg|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Ziph|noname=}} {{H|Zydar|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="27" | [[Tactics]]<br/>(23)
|  {{H|Lacus|noname=}} ||  || {{H|Dargem|noname=}} {{H|Terek|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Todd|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 3}}
! colspan="28" | [[Water Magic]]<br/>(3)
|  || {{H|Casmetra|noname=}} {{H|Ciele|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Gelare|noname=}}
|- bgcolor={{red 4}}
! colspan="29" | [[Wisdom]]<br/>(86)
|  {{H|Adelaide|noname=}} {{H|Agar|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Astral|noname=}} {{H|Dracon|noname=}}<br/>{{H|Jeddite|noname=}} {{H|Mirlanda|noname=}}
|}


Most common combos:
For Heroes Chronicles, which has no campaign wall, I used the Hc#PrBk images from lbitmap.lod as a reference to find which thumbnail did NWC re-use for each campaign. Problem: this doesn't cover the freebies, and both of the "final chapters" have the same image. So for TWT and TFM, I went with the thumbnail used for the first mission of the respective campaign. It'd probably be better to snap pictures from the videos, but they're so grainy and pixelated...
# Wisdom+Intelligence: 9
# Wisdom+Sorcery: 8
# Wisdom+Eagle Eye: 7
# Wisdom+Wisdom: 6
# Wisdom+Scholar: 6
# Wisdom+Learning: 6
# Wisdom+Scholar: 6
# Offense+Offense: 6
# Offense+Tactics: 6
# Wisdom+Mysticism: 5
# Offense+Artillery: 5
# Wisdom+Fire Magic: 4
# Estates+Tactics: 4 (okay, two of those are meant to be the same characters; but technically they're separate heroes)
# Armorer+Leadership: 4


Most of those are Wisdom combos, which is not surprising given how nearly half the heroes have Wisdom as a starting skill. (Only reason it's not fully half is because of the many campaign-specific might heroes... Without campaign heroes, it's actually slightly more than half, since two Might heroes do have Wisdom as a starting skill, in addition to ''all'' of the Magic heroes.)
<gallery mode="packed">
File:Cslreg1c.png|[[Long Live the Queen]]
File:Cslree3c.png|[[Dungeons and Devils]]
File:Cslren2a.png|[[Spoils of War]]
File:Cslreg4c.png|[[Liberation]]
File:Cslree5b.png|[[Long Live the King]]
File:Cslreg6a.png|[[Song for the Father]]
File:Cslres7b.png|[[Seeds of Discontent]]
File:Cslabab7.png|[[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)|Armageddon's Blade]]
File:Cslabdb2.png|[[Dragon's Blood]]
File:Cslabds1.png|[[Dragon Slayer]]
File:Cslabfl3.png|[[Festival of Life]]
File:Cslabpf2.png|[[Playing with Fire]]
File:Cslabfw1.png|[[Foolhardy Waywardness]]
File:Csl2nbb.png|[[New Beginning]]
File:Csl2ela.png|[[Elixir of Life (campaign)|Elixir of Life]]
File:Csl2hsa.png|[[Hack and Slash]]
File:Csl2bbe.png|[[Birth of a Barbarian]]
File:Csl2rnb.png|[[Rise of the Necromancer]]
File:Csl2ual.png|[[Unholy Alliance]]
File:Csl2spc.png|[[Specter of Power]]
File:Cslujr1.png|[[Under the Jolly Roger]]
File:Cslts1.png|[[Terror of the Seas]]
File:Cslha1.png|[[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)|Horn of the Abyss]]
File:Cslfa1.png|[[Forged in Fire]]
File:Csl2nba.png|[[Warlords of the Wasteland]]
File:Csl2uak.png|[[Conquest of the Underworld]]
File:Csl2bba.png|[[Masters of the Elements]]
File:Csl2uag.png|[[Clash of the Dragons]]
File:Cslabab1.png|[[The World Tree]]
File:Csl2elb.png|[[The Fiery Moon]]
File:Cslabfl2.png|[[Revolt of the Beastmasters]]
File:Cslabfl2.png|[[The Sword of Frost]]
</gallery>


There's only two skills that don't have any combo with Wisdom: Archery and Armorer.
WIP timeline rework. Not the best layout. Would probably be best to have a few columns in which specific missions can be put, since campaigns can span a long extent (especially visible with Forged in Fire).
 
{|
Most of the possible skill combinations are not present. That makes all the combos with Eagle Eye or Learning all the more unfortunate, as they could have been instead spent on more interesting combos with skills that actually have a purpose. That said, it's almost a shame there isn't an Eagle Eye + Learning combo out there to take the crown of the Absolute Worst Hero in the game... :p
|Distant past||[[File:Csl2nba.png|100px]]||[[Warlords of the Wasteland]]||->||[[File:Csl2uak.png|100px]]||[[Conquest of the Underworld]]
|-
|10 000 years after world creation||[[File:Csl2bba.png|100px]]||[[Masters of the Elements]]
|-
|At some point||[[File:Cslabab1.png|100px]]||[[The World Tree]]||->||[[File:Csl2elb.png|100px]]||[[The Fiery Moon]]
|-
|Who knows when||[[File:Cslabfl2.png|100px]]||[[Revolt of the Beastmasters]]
|-
|1160 AS||[[File:Csl2nbb.png|100px]]||[[New Beginning]]||+||[[File:Csl2ela.png|100px]]||[[Elixir of Life (campaign)|Elixir of Life]]||+||[[File:Csl2hsa.png|100px]]||[[Hack and Slash]]||+||[[File:Csl2bbe.png|100px]]||[[Birth of a Barbarian]]
|-
|1161 AS||[[File:Csl2rnb.png|100px]]||[[Rise of the Necromancer]]
|-
|1162 AS||[[File:Csl2ual.png|100px]]||[[Unholy Alliance]]||+||[[File:Cslfa1.png|100px]]||[[Forged in Fire]]
|-
|1164 AS||[[File:Csl2spc.png|100px]]||[[Specter of Power]]
|-
|1165 AS||[[File:Cslabfw1.png|100px]]||[[Foolhardy Waywardness]]||->||[[File:Cslreg1c.png|100px]]||[[Long Live the Queen]]||+||[[File:Cslree3c.png|100px]]||[[Dungeons and Devils]]||+||[[File:Cslren2a.png|100px]]||[[Spoils of War]]
|-
|1166 AS||[[File:Cslreg4c.png|100px]]||[[Liberation]]||+||[[File:Cslree5b.png|100px]]||[[Long Live the King]]||->||[[File:Cslreg6a.png|100px]]||[[Song for the Father]]
|-
|1167 AS||[[File:Cslres7b.png|100px]]||[[Seeds of Discontent]]
|-
|1171 AS||[[File:Cslabab7.png|100px]]||[[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)|Armageddon's Blade]]||+||[[File:Cslabdb2.png|100px]]||[[Dragon's Blood]]||+||[[File:Cslabds1.png|100px]]||[[Dragon Slayer]]||+||[[File:Cslabfl3.png|100px]]||[[Festival of Life]]||+||[[File:Cslabpf2.png|100px]]||[[Playing with Fire]]
|-
|1172 AS||[[File:Cslujr1.png|100px]]||[[Under the Jolly Roger]]||->||[[File:Cslts1.png|100px]]||[[Terror of the Seas]]||->||[[File:Cslha1.png|100px]]||[[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)|Horn of the Abyss]]
|-
|1175 AS||[[File:Csl2uag.png|100px]]||[[Clash of the Dragons]]
|-
|1176 AS||[[File:Cslabfl2.png|100px]]||[[The Sword of Frost]]
|}

Latest revision as of 16:24, 20 June 2024

Random bits for fun. User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots

Campaign icons

Those are the splash screens corresponding to the thumbnails used for the campaigns on the campaign wall.

For Heroes Chronicles, which has no campaign wall, I used the Hc#PrBk images from lbitmap.lod as a reference to find which thumbnail did NWC re-use for each campaign. Problem: this doesn't cover the freebies, and both of the "final chapters" have the same image. So for TWT and TFM, I went with the thumbnail used for the first mission of the respective campaign. It'd probably be better to snap pictures from the videos, but they're so grainy and pixelated...

WIP timeline rework. Not the best layout. Would probably be best to have a few columns in which specific missions can be put, since campaigns can span a long extent (especially visible with Forged in Fire).

Distant past Warlords of the Wasteland -> Conquest of the Underworld
10 000 years after world creation Masters of the Elements
At some point The World Tree -> The Fiery Moon
Who knows when Revolt of the Beastmasters
1160 AS New Beginning + Elixir of Life + Hack and Slash + Birth of a Barbarian
1161 AS Rise of the Necromancer
1162 AS Unholy Alliance + Forged in Fire
1164 AS Specter of Power
1165 AS Foolhardy Waywardness -> Long Live the Queen + Dungeons and Devils + Spoils of War
1166 AS Liberation + Long Live the King -> Song for the Father
1167 AS Seeds of Discontent
1171 AS Armageddon's Blade + Dragon's Blood + Dragon Slayer + Festival of Life + Playing with Fire
1172 AS Under the Jolly Roger -> Terror of the Seas -> Horn of the Abyss
1175 AS Clash of the Dragons
1176 AS The Sword of Frost