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Also I feel like going from a hero with special "blessed" storms ("specialty chain lightning") to a hero with the appellation Stormblessed was quite apt. 18:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I should stop being lazy and just fix things myself instead of making comments in the talk pages. 18:38, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

There was a very good reason for the strong community backlash to Forge. I propose a moratorium on adding references to Forge in regular pages and a cleanup of those references that currently exist. If you wish to add such content please add them to the Forge page directly or add them as new pages to their respective category: Category:Cut Content or Category:Forge. →ima 09:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

think i kinda like this idea--GroundhogYear (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

so operation delete freakishly weird cut content references from all pages is a go? :) →ima 14:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

yes, but not too zealous. i dont want to find myself in the middle of the dead desert again, as in the dark times before covid-rennaissance.--GroundhogYear (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

→ima 21:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

What happened with the Forge stuff, guys? What's wrong with it being there? Also, where's that "no Forge references allowed" thing coming from? And yeah, that was zealous enough coming from you, if you want to know.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 23:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to create a forge trivia page to put all the forge trivia on. Forge stuff is just too freakishly weird for regular pages. →ima 00:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Why would it be just too freakishly weird for regular pages lol, that's your personal opinion. And the trivia section is there especially for such "weird" things. You also just removed any and all links leading to Forge for some reason, like the one in the Ancients page. Seriously, what is the logical reason behind such things? Remove the Angel trivia, as well as the Kreegan trivias then. They are too weird. I mean, go ahead and remove anything that gives a hint of alien, sci-fi, etc. It's not like the universe is a sci-fi fantasy in the end, right? Sorry for going this forward, but seriously, this is absurd even from a neutral point of view, especially considering that fan mods are allowed to exist freely too (you literally censored it all and confined it to one page just because it didn't sit well with you and groundhog, no offense).--FirePaladin2 (talk) 00:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Kekw, you deleted even the explanation for certain aspects of Factory.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 00:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Eh, you went ahead with that page of yours. At the very least, link that page in the required pages or something? Still quite illogical to have it nonetheless, we should rather have a separate trivia page for everything else instead, going with this logic.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 00:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Remember the original strong community backlash to the idea of forge. It hasn't gone away. Most people find the forge untasteful. I'll add the angel and the kreegan stuf to the new trivia page. Let me know if I missed anything else. →ima 00:55, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Dude, it doesn't work like that. It's a wiki, it goes by information, not what the community feels (aka neutral standpoint, the info is there and that's it, without regards to people being offended or anythign of sorts, since it's actual info). And yes, you'd be surprised that there is indeed quite a high amount of people who are ok with the sci-fi, and I am saying this based on countless interactions and observations of the community. And just to remind you, the backlash wasn't that strong to begin with, and accentuated by certain bloggers (proof of this was dug by a guy on Discord). Still curious about the "no Forge rule", you were saying it like it's a real thing, not your opinion. And please, let's put the fan content in one page too in this case. Just to sit well with this official, cut content.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

On spell page, I repeat again, it's trivia lol, it doesn't need to have much to do with the in-game stuff. It would have been an issue if it was outside of that section, of course.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

"And please, let's put the fan content in one page too in this case." Don't tempt me. Kek. →ima 01:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Then just put most of the "Forge" stuff back. Either that or this, if we're to follow a clear, logical rule.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

You misunderstood. Kek. I would put all the fan opinion stuff into one page. Lol. →ima 01:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I would put all cut content references and fan opinions on separate pages. →ima 01:12, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

That's clearly why it has a template indicating it's biased. It's also on the creature page for accessibility. HotA is fan stuff too, and that's what I was talking about (I mean, seriously, cut content is not allowed, but trivia of all other kinds and even fan mods are allowed). See, even WoG is staying in only one page (no, I can't say I'm a WoG fan if that's what you're thinking). And do answer all of my statements before, you're either in a hurry or intentionally ignoring them, no offense. I mean, nothing gets done like this, other than you doing whatever you want for your personal reasons.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes there is bias as there should be. High quality content should be preferred. Forge and WoG can have their places on the wiki as separate pages. No need to muddy the waters elsewhere. →ima 01:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

This is simply absurd. A proper wiki is not run through bias. And you're trying to say that canon or any other kind of trivia which came from official developers (and even lead designers) isn't enough "high quality" or anything? But hey, I'm forgetting you're working on this wiki- sorry, informational site just by yourself, it's your property, and you decide what enters it based on your personal opinions, rather than the neutral standpoint which is required for a wiki site (sorry, forgot it wasn't a wiki yet again). No offense at all, but this is reaching abysmal levels of sillyness. Ah, it is YOUR WIKI. You should put this on main page too, so every visitor knows why that and that.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually, just f*ck it, This isn't a wiki. It's your H3 site. You didn't even have to answer to any of my arguments because it's your property. I would have understood if you actually had any arguments besides "I don't like it, it's my bias" haha (oh, let's not forget the argument of "people are sensible to information, so hide it, censor it". Sorry for going this far, but c'mon, this would be worth putting in a comedy show.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Not censored. Anyone actually interested to find forge content can easily do so by going to the forge category. →ima 01:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah, and here's the classic "fill one little hole, leave the abyss alone". You pretty much haven't brought one, single, neutral pov argument to explain your actions on a wiki site, a place where actions should never be biased.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:33, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

That's just silly. There is ALWAYS bias. It's always necessary to have some. →ima 01:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

There is, but not on such levels. And if you had reasonable, explainable bias, you should have brought solid counter-arguments to what I just said in this entire discussion. Actually, now you basically "copy-pasted" one of your previous arguments, and yet again, quoting my pervious post, just ignored 99% of everything else. Oh, just to correct myself, since you brought that up, yes, there will always be bias, but it should be avoided. Now, let me refresh why not putting the "sci-fi" trivia in more pages does not comply with the statement of what a wiki is and requires, when all the other trivia is left alone and fan mods inhabit tens of pages (not to mention, even required information of Forge having ben cut, in AB's page, and perhaps even info on Kastore's page): this trivia, is directly related to the official versions of the game, and was a result of the official developers. Official > fan-made, to begin with, on a wiki which strives to include information about an officially released game.

Now, if you're thinking I'm an actual jerk, I'm simply defending a public wiki and it's neutral pov, as all "official" wikis should be. You, however, are defending the extension of your personal view on matters regarding the subjects presented in the wiki, which is not acceptable in such a place.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 01:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I applaud your gallant defense of a few references to content that was cut due to community backlash. Can we move on now? →ima 01:55, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

You're simply running away due to lack of proper non-biased standing, you know this. Cut or not cut, that is irrelevant here. It's information which has solid reasons to be there after all (you didn't bring solid counter-arguments as to why not). And yet again, you're imposing this attitude of you controlling this whole wiki in whatever ways you wish. Yes, I would indeed like to temporarily halt this debate (for more reasons, including the fact that you're discomforted by using a neutral pov as much as possible). As for the community backlash, you're again saying it like it decides everything once and for all and erases any hints and canon presence of sci-fi in HoMM3 (I mean, you did "hide" non-Forge content that is confirmed by developers and/or present in the universe where H3 takes part too); aka as if it's the one which decides what is going on "behind the curtains". Like this, people can just decide anything is not part of a game or franchise because they don't like it (insert the part about the community backlash not being that significant and being taken into consideration by 3DO because they were literally older EA and in dire need of more cash; yes, the founder of EA founded 3DO as well, and he wasn't that much better).--FirePaladin2 (talk) 02:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I cleaned up the code for my scenario/HotA templates. Now you can actually use Special:WantedFiles without a bunch of map images hiding everything. →ima 23:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

lol it seems what I did just moved them to the bottom of the Special:WantedPages. At least they are separate and at the bottom of that list and not mingled in. →ima 05:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

GroundhogYear and I can delete stuff now. Let us know if you have any priority targets. →ima 23:33, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Deleting stuff is fun. →ima 19:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

yup, but we are almost out of fuel. there are dark times of waiting for the next spambot ahead --GroundhogYear (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

don't worry, i'll keep it interesting by offending people by moving their content to separate pages. they'll be sure to get angry enough to create new spambots. then we can delete more stuff →ima 01:40, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Current deal for the entire franchise on GOG.com. ima 10:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

at least redirects can hide spam from the 'random page' raffle. but not from the search context menu.--GroundhogYear (talk) 19:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

is it something with my eyes or Secondary skill really looks like this https://i.snipboard.io/25eblt.jpg now? --GroundhogYear (talk) 08:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

much better, thanks. im waiting what 136.37 will say about it though. still believe his 'height:26 > height:50' edit was for a reason. something browser-based maybe. and why did u kill the hota tab, btw? --GroundhogYear (talk) 09:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

OK. I think I really fixed it this time. ima 10:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

damn! so it were gem's hands all the time. always hoped it will be some necromancer on the way to the lichification: File:H3x2 UAd.png, File:H3x2 NBc.png --GroundhogYear (talk) 02:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Those nails are ridiculously long. ima 02:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

We now have access to lua scripting and parser functions. Thanks Tsque! ima 22:18, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Anyone have any cool ideas as to what we can do with these new features? ima 02:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

cmon, i thought u already had some magic tricks up ur sleeve --GroundhogYear (talk) 07:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

its all way above my head, but - calculators, maybe? --GroundhogYear (talk) 07:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

In addition to the links above here's another tutorial on using lua with wikis: wikibooks ima 08:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

oh my. think i already found my favorite part of the tutorial. its really deep: https://i.snipboard.io/SyqJPk.jpg --GroundhogYear (talk) 08:31, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

lol ima 08:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

We now have the ability to embed code snippets (examples) on pages with syntax highlighting and also we have syntax highlighting, line numbers, and tab key support on "Module:" pages! ima 14:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

just show us some Magic! something tasty to copypaste, edit, and cry why it stopped working --GroundhogYear (talk) 06:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't mind me just trying to reimplement wikipedia here. ima 20:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Ngl, I was waiting for an update on this wiki.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 20:18, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Did I miss any while I was cleaning up? If I did feel free to blank any of that wikipedia copy pasta. We should probably just create our own piece by piece as we go. ima 22:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

how cringy 'cyclopses' sound for a native english speaker? cause theyre cyclopses here: Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_110, here: Restoration_of_Erathia_Manual_Page_119, and here: Here There Be Pirates. is there a problem at all? --GroundhogYear (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't find it cringey. At most maybe a little uncomfortable to say out loud. Cringey for me would be something like your guys's. ima 18:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

i googled a lot about it while repairing the manual descriptions and came to conclusion that cyclopses are ok, but still had some doubts if its some awkward prescriptivistic issue or not --GroundhogYear (talk) 07:52, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

There really is a need to do something about the spambots. This wiki has Special:AbuseFilter which is quite effective on other wikis, it could be used to its full potential by adding more rules. I suggest for example taking a look at the rules on the Doom Wiki.

John Morris refuses to release the source code. https://twitter.com/diskblitz/status/920801845349466113

Thanks, now I'm gonna hack his PC.--FirePaladin2 (talk)

more like, "John Morris cannot legally release the source code because it belongs to ubisoft?" —Foerno (talk)

Exactly. That's why I gotta hack his PC.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 16:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I find it very very useful how you can see the chance of a hero to learn x secondary skill such as wisdom. However, what if we did it vice versa for the skill itself? For example, if you go to wisdom page, you could see the most likely heroes to learn it and the least likely. Does anyone have a problem with me doing this for all secondary skill pages? LlVIU (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

it's done LlVIU (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

why are there no articles about random map templates? is it some policy or just nobody got around to writing them? i would imagine an article containing an image of the template layout would be helpful, along with some information about strategy and tips related to that template specifically. --Foerno (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2018 (CET)

We already have: Random Map and Template Editor

(which removes the need to know much about the file itself), but it would probably be nice to also have a: [[Random Map Template]] which describes the file. Feel free to add it. I would also be fine if you wanted to add the individual templates, e.g. Jebus Cross. ―imahero 23:19, 20 November 2018 (CET)

there is a problem with Ruins, a new HotA object. it's a creature bank which contains 5 different creatures. existing creature banks only have up to 4 different creatures. turns out the Template:Creature_bank_row does not work for more more than 4 creatures and the result is that the fifth creature is pushed to the column "content". this makes it impossible to add a creature bank template to this page. i believe this is a limitation of Template:Table row which only allows 9 elements inside a row. i also believe this limitation is inherited from the Template:Table. can anyone more experiences with these templates look at this? --Foerno (talk) 03:07, 26 July 2018 (CEST)

Template:Creature_bank_row was fixed. --ShushMaster (talk) 16:04, 26 July 2018 (CEST)

The era of white sort arrows has arrived! Just add whiteSortArrows to the table header class declaration like so:

class="sortable whiteSortArrows"

―imahero 15:28, 24 May 2018 (CEST)

HotA changed the numbers for starting armies for many towns, e.g. heroes starting with troglodytes now have 20-30 per stack, instead of 30-40. i haven't figured out a good way to include that in the wiki page for a certain hero, such as shakti. any ideas? --Foerno (talk) 22:59, 20 May 2018 (CEST)

Looks like there is enough place for another column with hota-branded numbers in parentheses. Ofc there is a possibility of confusing HotA numbers with SoD chances, but I cannot imagine what kind of ingame trouble it can cause.--ShushMaster (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2018 (CEST)

done that for all dungeon heroes. let's see if it catches on. --Foerno (talk) 23:32, 21 May 2018 (CEST)

We should probably list all three starting troops even if they don't change from SoD to HotA. Otherwise it may look like in HotA they don't have those starting troops at all.

Also, before we do all of the factions, let's discuss other possible options:

1. Add a new section below "Starting troops:" called "Starting troops

:".

2. Change the format in some way: e.g. (20-30

).

3. Add the changes, (including any other HotA changes for that hero), to a ==Horn of the Abyss== section on the actual page instead of the hero template.

I'm leaning towards a new section within the hero template or a section on the actual page. That little box is just looking a little cramped.

―imahero 02:31, 22 May 2018 (CEST)

U know, I like the idea of new templates for HotA, but not in this case. It will be enough to add a new column with 'nmbH-1,nmbH-2,nmbH-3' after two SoD columns and align it properly. As I see it. How it looks now - nobody can call it exquisite piece of web-design, but having all info in one eyesight is important.--ShushMaster (talk) 03:12, 22 May 2018 (CEST)

in my opinion, adding a new section to every single hero for every faction (whose starting army was changed by hota) is too much. a little change like "Troglodyte 30–40 (

20-30)" looks much better to me.

the problem with adding the hota numbers even if they don't change is that in this case, for consistency, they would have to be added to factions which didn't have any changes. --Foerno (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2018 (CEST)

It now defaults to the numbers from SoD, so only the ones that changed have to be updated. ―imahero 04:33, 23 May 2018 (CEST)

hmm, but now it shows incorrect information until someone edits every single hero with changes in the starting army. --Foerno (talk) 22:40, 23 May 2018 (CEST)

Only slightly inaccurate. Nothing anyone is going to die over. At least it shows "Always" for HotA correctly now. ―imahero 00:28, 24 May 2018 (CEST)

"Starting skills: Uland's Wisdom and Deemer's Scouting - downgraded from Adv. to Basic (each of them has 2 starting skills)". So the hero tab is still incomplete.

We have a problem. Kinkeria, Beatrice and Ranloo are out of HotA ghetto prowling in template:town_hero tables and hero class pages.--ShushMaster (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2018 (CEST)

I'm fine with it in this instance. If we don't put them here they can be hard to find for HotA users. Also it would require maintaining separate templates and pages for a single hero. And with the {{inhota}} label at the top of their individual pages it should become pretty clear to the unHotAified as soon as they click one of them. ―imahero 16:57, 19 May 2018 (CEST)

The problem is it can have a negative influence before any clicking. You want to check something in this particular tab - you see a hero which shouldnt be here - the whole wiki is under question. You just dont know anymore if these wiki people are able to discern SoD and HotA at all. Even a personal template for one hero is not a big cost to avoid this. The best solution, as I can see it, is to allow in the main template to paste

brand after a hero name. But my kunfu is still weak for this.--ShushMaster (talk) 00:12, 20 May 2018 (CEST)

You're probably right. Do you think a superscripted ^H is enough? I think any more than that would be too much of an eyesore. Let me know if I missed a location. ―imahero 01:19, 20 May 2018 (CEST)

Yup, the whole 'hota' after Kinkeria would be too dashing. Think H is enough to consider our conscience clear.--ShushMaster (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2018 (CEST)

Hmmmm. What about a superscripted ^* instead? Too small? Too little? ―imahero 01:49, 20 May 2018 (CEST)

I"ll leave this in your quieting hands, ShushMaster. ―imahero 03:29, 21 May 2018 (CEST)

For some reason my editing of the Counter spells gets reversed all the time. Bloodlust and Weakness are NOT counters even though they don't work like Haste and Slow or Bless and Curse, they don't cancel each other out either. Why?, because Bloodlust is only for melee units and Weakness is for all units. Therefore they are not counters. I would see Weakness and Stone Skin more as counters, but I don't even know if I would consider them counters either. ―62.198.44.139

You have an excellent point there. And you could have mentioned that in either in the comment section of your edit, or perhaps on a talk page. I would also like to point out, that if you read the page carefully (and also comments from history), you can see that there is a mention that they are not counter spells but spells with opposite effect. And why have you not added Stone Skin and Weakness as a opposite spell pair? –Kapteeni Ruoska (talk) 07:41, 21 April 2017 (CEST)

Does anyone know excatly the starting troops of different heroes/classes? Specially the ones with 1st, 2nd or 3rd level creature specialties. –Kapteeni Ruoska (talk) 13:31, 6 February 2017 (CET)

Merry Christmas! --imahero 17:36, 23 December 2016 (CET)

I know people still play this game, i just wonder how many. Anybody know how to make a poll?

Great, great wiki. My congratulations. --81.202.192.29 00:05, 13 May 2016 (CEST)

Love the wiki! I learned lots in a game I thought I already knew everything about!

The game might decrease in terms of graphics and videos over time (about cartoon quality pictures, a little bit better than the Simpsons TV show color sets), the sound is CD quality, the game resolution is not in a way that one would see each pixel like in the DOS era of games. The towns might be a little bit unbalanced, it is not quite chess. There are almost no bugs. The game has isometric views in 2D and is not 3D like the recent games of the series (now made by another studio than 3D0). The successor has heroes on the battlefield and not in a generals tent and a few minor modifications, heroes 1 was nice in terms of nice musical scores. The display part of the game is still way better than the Might and Magic series which was largely (up to, not including IX) sporting Doom era graphics where one could see the pixels. Sadly the game studio that ported the game to Linux (Loki games) died, but there seems to be an Android port in the works now.

Wow, Kapteeni Ruoska still whipping here, seems like almost every day, such dedication! –Demes 11:38, 8 July 2014 (CEST)

I just do not have anything better to do. :D –Kapteeni Ruoska 09:08, 9 July 2014 (CEST)

December 4, 2013. As pink Floyd sang, "Is anybody out there?" I know this game is old, but does anyone still play? Emperor Che

Heroes of Might and Magic III will never die. Long live Heroes! –Kapteeni Ruoska 16:38, 4 December 2013 (CET)

Awesome to hear! I've just recently started using the site. It has become a staple when building a new map. Wish I could upload some of my maps, I am quite proud of the ones I have built.

Passerby: Love this wiki! I've spent so much time just browsing the articles, thought I knew this game inside-out but turns out I was wrong! Glad that people have made such a great site.

Hope to see the town/skill/hero ratings be gathered together, they are quite useful! Also: heroes and their category seems a bit wonky.

Heroes and their categories are in the process. –Kapteeni Ruoska 18:48, 14 November 2013 (CET)

Site moved to new server. Hopefully faster now

Still playing the game and loving this wiki, thanks a lot guys! 20-3-2013

Awesome wiki guys, it's really complete (1 or 2 weird specials are lacking but they s*ck so it's ok ^^) Learned a lot from this, cheers o/.

Looks like we're still having trouble with the occasional vandal ... they're double-posting in order to avoid auto-reverts, no doubt (not that we have a bot here to do reverts), or maybe just to make hand reverts more difficult. Anyway, it looks like I'm just about the only active member here at the moment; I hope others will join me and help revitalize the site ... and maybe play a game with me sometime. :-) Memetics 09:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Bah. Due to excessive botting I've had to add captcha on all edits, not just edits adding urls. Retarded bot writers just let the bot keep trying with various random changes until it "succeeds" - which at that point they don't include any urls more, which make the whole thing pointless vandalism instead..

Summon Demons added. Great wiki by the way. I might add a few articles about In the Wake of Gods as well.

Moving the wiki to a new server.

He was one of those who helped build this wiki, coming from one of the forums you find link to at the communtity portal. I haven't seen him active for quite a long time, tho.

Sashko (frequent visitor): Very good wiki, guys! You're doing great job! I've readed hundreds articles here. Have only one question: who is "J R"? (in many articles, there's his "rating" of hero/town/etc.)

Due to problems with server at the same time as the admin was on vacation, the wiki have had some downtime. We're really sorry. --Terrasque

The wiki have been moved to a new system now.
--Terrasque 20:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

ImPaladin 10:58, 04 May 2006 (CET) - We should add information for all the campaigns. It shouldn't be too hard, just extract them and open them in the Campaign Editor.

Terrasque 23:58, 28 April 2006 (CEST) - Ok, the reason things have been down, and still is a few pictures missing, is because my server crashed. I managed to recover the database, and most of the pictures. On another note, you now have to be logged in AND have a valid email adress to be able to edit stuff. Merely logging in didnt stop the bots, as you can see on Special:Listusers. I hope this will be more effective.

Owenja - Wow, what a lot of vandals. Time for a little reverting. Do we want to consider making editing require logging in?

ShacklesofWar:My guess: that´s a hellhound. Anyway, I´m not sure the 3D-thing will destroy HoMM, but bad gameplay will. If they can just use the good parts from the earlier games, (gameplay and variety from HoMM 2 and 3, and those things that did work in HoMM 4 (not my favourite)), and then add something new, (that works in HoMM context), then HoMM 5 could be fantastic! But it will be VERY hard to accomplish.

Owenja - Is that a burning zebra in the second screenshot?

Terra - I know! It's in full fucking 3d! I'm almost certain they'll manage to destroy HoMM for good with that one :-(

ShacklesofWar:Have you heard? Heroes of Might and Magic V!!!!! is sheduled for release during 2006! Developed by Ubisoft. They have teaser pictures on their website. Thought you´d like to know...

Terra - IIRC: (right?)clicking on the skills shows bigger pictures.

Owenja - Well, you're one of the people in the wiki, not to mention the one running it. :-)

By the way, how'd you get the giant images of [[:Image:Skill_diplomacy.png|diplomacy]] and [[:Image:Skill_wisdom.png|wisdom]]? They don't look like they were just blown up...

Terra - I like them. but in the end, it's up to the people doing it to decide, after all.

Owenja - So, I've uploaded all the hero images I have so far. Any suggestions or comments before I capture more? Are the specialty pictures worth doing, or should I skip those from now on?

Terra - It's laughably easy, actually. You just type {{templatename}} and *poof*, a red link pops up. You can then do {{templatename|item1|item2}} which will be {{{1}}} and {{{2}}} in the template, and so on. The creature template have up till {{{14}}}.

ShacklesofWar: Since I don´t know how to properly make a template, I improvised one under the "Campaign" area. Still need help to fill in the blanks, but it looks nicer already. Enjoy.

Terra - I think the way it was done on the Nagash page looked best.

Owenja - I've seen several different ways to include hero pictures: Gunnar, Grindan, Geon, Nagash, and Tazar. Which do we want to standardize on?

Also, all the spells and secondary skills have different artwork for the different levels. Do we want to add all of that in? (ie, Skill_Logistics_Basic.png, Skill_Logistics_Advanced.png, Skill_Logistics_Expert.png)

Docevus - I was looking at the list of heroes and a question occurred to me. Quite a few heroes specialiize in creatures and give those creatures bonuses based off the hero's level. The problem is, what are those bonuses? I know those creatures get +1 speed, and extra offense and defense, but I have no idea how to tell how much the offense and defense will increase.

Terra - Updated to latest wiki version. If anything bugs / is missing, tell me

Gaidal Cain - No sweat. Older versions are saved and are easy to restore.

HelcahisieRomen - Oh no, while editing one of the articles I blew up the whole stuff. I hope you will understand.

Terra - Simply put, png have greater quality (since it's lossless), but jpg take less space. I personally prefer png, but use jpg if the picture is of bad quality, or very large. I have some pics up at http://terrasque.mine.nu/~terra/newpic/ - but I haven't had time to chop them up, and frankly.. I forgot them :-(

Oh, and that steam page.. I've been thinking of deleting it, that kind of rant don't really belong here.

mo-Slimy - I've read [[blowing off steam]] article. Well, it was me who was talking/writing about pictures, but I was busy last three weeks (school, exams... and I'm still busy). I'm wondering that noone uploaded any pictures (maybe contributors have no spare time too). So I'm gonna try it. I need a little advice before. Pictures in wiki are in two formats .png, .jpg, which one is better, Terra? (They could be in one common format.) Thanx.

Terra Great :-) Maybe activity on that one can put some life into this one again.

John: various skills? You mean secondary skills? I agree, something a la the artifacts article, I think.

Also, one thing I've forgot to mention. I emailed the person behind Age of Heroes earlier about using some of the factoids on his site, and I got this back:

Feel free to use the info from AOH, but I ask that you make a link to AOH somewhere. If 
you use my own writing, not just game information, make a reference to AOH in the entry.

I have a link to AoH in the links section, and have had since before I asked.

Angelspit There is now a Heroes IV Wiki, called Heroespedia, at Celestial Heavens. The format is very similar to this one.

mo-Slimy> Plagues and Weeks/Months of monsters are described in Growth article.

John DiFool: We also need a menu for the various skills, the only really glaring omission. A "Miscellaneous" section would be nice to detail little pieces of errata like Plagues and Week/Month of Monsters...

Terra I dunno who's (if any?) got copyright on those images. 3DO is bankrupt, according to wikipedia, and their web pages are unavaliable.
So far I've just counted on no one suing, and removing images if anyone complains (which no one have done yet) ;-)

And frankly, objecting to game images being used like this, which is basically free promotion for their game, is beyond my logic.

Angelspit Game companies usually allow fan sites to reprint their artwork and their screenshots. You only need to give them credit somewhere. Terra might want to confirm this.

mo-Slimy There are almost no pictures. I would upload them but I have no copyrights. Probably the one who uploaded those few pictures here has also the copyrights. Am I wrong? :)

ShacklesofWar: Seems that the upgrading frenzy has slowed down to a trickle. We still need info about the campaigns, (could be huge on info), and playing tips. I personally would like an introduction to multiplaying over network/Internet, (common rules, banned items, spells etc.). (Only played Hotseat myself). Tactics on multiplaying, campaigning, certain maps, (in a campaign), how to maximize point results on maps and campaigns etc. etc. Please add more!

John DiFool: In what version do the Naga Banks give you Gems? They have always given me sulfur, from the initial unpatched ROE to the final version of SOD. Or did WOG finally fix this themselves?

ShacklesofWar: Aha! Now I understand. Thanks!

Sorry I was not clear. Experience is not lost at a Pandora's Box.

What I tried to say was that the article identifies with brackets what can be taken away.

Spell Points (gain or lose)
Luck (+3 to -3)
Morale (+3 to -3)
Resources (gain or lose)

ShacklesofWar:OK, but if it is specified, what then happens? Do the mapmaker specify that as well?

For the Pandora's Box the hero can only lose where it is specifically stated in brackets.

ShacklesofWar: I checked the Pandora's Box article, which claims that you can lose experience opening one of these. I think it would be a good idea to explain what then happens under the Experience article. Do you lose Secondary skills? Primary skills? Or does it just make it harder to get to next level (you now need 8000 exp to next level instead of 3000?) (Never lost exp with one)

John DiFool: Guess I wasn't as clear about the town costs as I should have been (I couldn't come up with a concise way of expressing what my intentions were). The idea was "basic" just tells you how much gold & resources you need to get maximum creature production going, without upgrade costs, and without any other "unnecessary" buildings (hence things like Marketplaces and City Halls are NOT included). This is important when deciding on what resources and mines you absolutely need, and which ones are just a bonus. Upgrades of course are strictly for upgrades + prerequisites (like 3rd level Mage Guild to get Black Dragons). Costs for EVERYTHING would be in the third column. So if we decide to stick with this plan the "basic" Conflux costs will need a bit of reworking. By the way the path to the Capitol will cost (if we assume no Fort or even Tavern is prebuilt):

40 Wood 25 Ore 26500 Gold

15 Wood 5 Ore 21000 Gold (Fort & Tavern prebuilt)

It is important to not double-count buildings (since I already included the Citadel & Castle in the basic costs they are not included here). We could add this in I guess if we wanted to...

Terra: I've been very busy lately, and will probably be for several weeks yet. Work, plus a game project me and some friends work on Because of that I've added mo-slimy and Gaidal Cain as sysops, as they seem to be pretty active and interested, to hopefully take up some of the slack. I will at least take a daily look at the wiki, and make sure things are running ok.

The NOTOC with the two underlines on either side removes a Table of Contents.

mo-Slimy> Can someone tell me what does " NOTOC " at the end of the article mean? Thanx.

John DiFool: Town Costs are now complete, except for Conflux (I'll let someone else do that one). Please let me know here if any of the figures are incorrect.

Terra: Server is back up. Reason for down: Power failure

Vadskye: Thanks Shackles. :)

ShacklesofWar:I reversed the chronological order on this page. You now enter new comment at the top of the page. (Above this one...) I also added a new section called "Campaigns" on the Main Page, here we need to put in some work.

Terra:You can set your timezone in the user prefs. I think the normal is GMT.

J R: I'm not fond of capitalizing letters. >_> I'm just wondering what time-zone does this site uses. I noticed my most recent contributions span two days but it's only 1930 here.

Remark: untested interesting statement about dispelling black dragons: guess it works only with either player carrying the orb, otherwise there would be nothing to dispel. And in this case them dragons can be targeted by any spells

John DiFool: The figures for total town costs as given in the Prima Strategy Guide are incorrect (e.g. they figured in a 5th level Mage Guild for the Castle). I'm currently fixing the figures for the 3 "good" towns...

mo-Slimy> to Vadskye> yes, and I need to add dwellings and upgrades to Stronghold troops yet.

Terra : Made a table for it. I have taken a few pictures, but don't have the time to cut and paste them. I'm putting them up at http://terrasque.mine.nu/~terra/newpic/ in case any of you have time.

John DiFool: I added info about costs for the Tower town, but I don't know now to format it correctly-if someone wants to make a table out of it, go right ahead. :-)

Gaidal Cain Rather, all adjectives and nouns in every name should begin with a major letter. That would probably be all words except "of" and "the":p

Vadskye: geez, did you just add 120 pages in two days???

mo-Slimy> Units seem to be complete here. Notice> All two-word names begin with major letter...

Vadskye: Why are you not registered? It is the shortest registration time I've found on a site in a very very long time :P

mo-Slimy ("212.55.247.variable" in numbers)> that's me. Please upload pictures to units. I cannot do it, probably I'm not registered... This site is great :) Keep adding!

Vadskye: Probably me and whoever 212.55.247.176 is. Geez they added a lot of stuff! =)

Terra: Woah. Someone went berserk in my wiki. I can barely keep track of the changes! Keep it up! :-)

Kenaniah: ooh, coool... Me likey! ^_^

Anonymous Joe: looks like this site has potential. i may make some changes someday myself.

Vadskye: Yay I added a new section all by myself :P Have fun with this!

No such thing as have or not, say, can say infix any no matter what.

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