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==== Main Page ==== | |||
# Lore Tab: Consider changing "Map of Antagarich" to something like "Atlas of Antagarich (and beyond!)" or simply "Atlas" | |||
# Lore Tab: Add [[Lost Lore]] link/icon | |||
==== Missing Info ==== | ==== Missing Info ==== | ||
# <span style="color:orange">(IMPEDIMENT: NEEDS HC)</span> Finish updating campaign scenario pages: | # <span style="color:orange">(IMPEDIMENT: NEEDS HC)</span> Finish updating campaign scenario pages: | ||
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#* Once done, go back through list to fill out spells & artifacts | #* Once done, go back through list to fill out spells & artifacts | ||
# Add [[Lost Lore]] story events to appropriate pages (and mark the info with {{tl|wll}}) | # Add [[Lost Lore]] story events to appropriate pages (and mark the info with {{tl|wll}}) | ||
# Create all the [[Special:WantedPages]]. | |||
==== Standardization ==== | ==== Standardization ==== | ||
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#** <s>{{Hn|Boyd|0=}},</s> {{Hn|Pactal|0=}} | #** <s>{{Hn|Boyd|0=}},</s> {{Hn|Pactal|0=}} | ||
#* <s>Reskins: See list in [[Template:Campaign hero table (reskins)]].</s> | #* <s>Reskins: See list in [[Template:Campaign hero table (reskins)]].</s> | ||
# Switch Campaign scenarios to use new town/hero templates (See [[Template: Town header]], [[Template: Hero header]]) | # Switch Campaign scenarios to use new town/hero templates (See [[Template: Town header]], [[Template: Hero header]]) | ||
#* Status: roe, ab, sod, hc, <s>hota</s> | #* Status: roe, ab, sod, hc, <s>hota</s> | ||
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#*# Regions: [[Shantanna]], [[Deep Caverns]], [[Nighon Strait]], [[Shandar River]], All [[Jadame]] regions | #*# Regions: [[Shantanna]], [[Deep Caverns]], [[Nighon Strait]], [[Shandar River]], All [[Jadame]] regions | ||
#*#* In my opinion, Jadame's regions should be included with some basic info. They give a bit more background to Jadame as a whole, for the reader, without being overwhelmingly explained (because they can be, and for such in-depth explanations should be other wikis). After all, the world is a whole, things become intertwined, and having the minimum to show that is fine. In fact, to me it sounds more silly if those regions are not there - they could mislead the reader into thinking that Jadame's only region is Ravage Roaming or something, leave them disappointed about what a boring continent Terra Nova is on and so on. Otherwise, I could help out a bit more with that, but I can't promise anything.--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 12:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC) | #*#* In my opinion, Jadame's regions should be included with some basic info. They give a bit more background to Jadame as a whole, for the reader, without being overwhelmingly explained (because they can be, and for such in-depth explanations should be other wikis). After all, the world is a whole, things become intertwined, and having the minimum to show that is fine. In fact, to me it sounds more silly if those regions are not there - they could mislead the reader into thinking that Jadame's only region is Ravage Roaming or something, leave them disappointed about what a boring continent Terra Nova is on and so on. Otherwise, I could help out a bit more with that, but I can't promise anything.--[[User:FirePaladin2|FirePaladin2]] ([[User talk:FirePaladin2|talk]]) 12:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC) | ||
# [[Lost Lore]] | # [[Lost Lore]] - Update {{tl|wll}} to a better icon/resize to match other similar templates? | ||
#* I chose the sacrifice icon cuz it was giving me Indiana Jones vibes :) --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 21:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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==== Desired Additions ==== | ==== Desired Additions ==== | ||
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# Consider adding a second timeline page showing the games in the M&M universe and where H3 falls in them? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC) | # Consider adding a second timeline page showing the games in the M&M universe and where H3 falls in them? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC) | ||
#* Maybe limit this to the games that take place on [[Enroth (planet)]] + H4 (direct sequel)? | #* Maybe limit this to the games that take place on [[Enroth (planet)]] + H4 (direct sequel)? | ||
# Make maps to show attacks during the wars/campaigns. Use campaign maps + colored arrows to show aggression. | |||
===File upload/editing=== | ===File upload/editing=== |
Revision as of 16:14, 16 July 2024
General/Ongoing
- Help clear the Maintenance Reports for unused/broken/wanted items!
- Check out and verify Trivia#Unverified Claims
- Look for pages that need help and report them here (e.g. unreadable color scheme, missing info)
- Use {{unk}} to mark text we need to fill in. That way all the unknown text will link to that template!
- Also, help clear the pages linking to the template by filling in the missing info.
- Record any in-game bugs found here: List of bugs (HotA)
Discussion
- Give your thoughts on Template talk:Color templates
Specific
Research/Explain game concepts (HIGH priority)
- Breath Attack could use a diagram of how it works (specifically when attacking straight up or down)
- I found this, but I have no idea the accuracy or completeness. --Legate (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- This may be affected by Mechanics and Engineers as these are the first 1-tile creatures with a breath attack.
- ANECDOTE: I did notice a...bug? nuance?...with attacker's Engineers attacking in the down-left direction vs. a 2-tile enemy not hitting the expected second tile. --Legate (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, this is related to the pic just above. In the pic, top row, second from the left, I expected there to be a 2nd red arrow going in the down-left direction. The diagram does not have one, which matched the in-game behavior I saw. --Legate (talk) 15:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- There is a bug (perhaps intended) that if a Mechanic attacks a two hex creature (usually I found it when attacking from the hex right above or right below the 2-hex monster) with the sword-arrow pointing to the direction from which she came to attack, the fire attack follows the direction of her movement and not the direction of the sword-arrow. - Csaros
- This behavior matches the picture above, which was made a while ago...implying that this bug exists for dragons as well. Testing needed. --Legate (talk) 18:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- ANECDOTE: I did notice a...bug? nuance?...with attacker's Engineers attacking in the down-left direction vs. a 2-tile enemy not hitting the expected second tile. --Legate (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I found this, but I have no idea the accuracy or completeness. --Legate (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Does petrification / stone gaze affect damage taken from a moat? - Csaros (talk) 13:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Content: Page Creation/Updating
Main Page
- Lore Tab: Consider changing "Map of Antagarich" to something like "Atlas of Antagarich (and beyond!)" or simply "Atlas"
- Lore Tab: Add Lost Lore link/icon
Missing Info
- (IMPEDIMENT: NEEDS HC) Finish updating campaign scenario pages:
- Add remaining right-click text to: HC,
HotAcampaigns- This text can either be found in-game or under "regionText" in the json export from FreeHeroes tool
- Upload/add remaining campaign maps: HC
- Add remaining right-click text to: HC,
- Go though "Campaign Heroes with a reused portrait" and add all missing info with updated hero template
- See list in Template:Campaign hero table (reskins)
- Status:
roe, ab, sod,hc (player heroes complete (except Niven)), hota (done through Deus Ex Machina) (some heroes w/ 2 flavors due to New Order are complete)) - Once done, go back through list to fill out spells & artifacts
- Add Lost Lore story events to appropriate pages (and mark the info with {{wll}})
- Create all the Special:WantedPages.
Standardization
- Add story info to hero pages.
- Standard heroes. Complete with exceptions:
- Factory:
Henrietta,
Sam,
Wynona
, Any updates from Homecoming (HotA)
- Factory:
- Campaign heroes with profiles: See Template:Campaign hero (profile) table
- Status: roe, ab,
sod, hc,hota
- Status: roe, ab,
- Campaign heroes with portraits: See Template:Campaign hero (pic) table. Complete with exceptions:
Reskins: See list in Template:Campaign hero table (reskins).
- Standard heroes. Complete with exceptions:
- Switch Campaign scenarios to use new town/hero templates (See Template: Town header, Template: Hero header)
- Status: roe, ab, sod, hc,
hota
- Status: roe, ab, sod, hc,
Fix (HIGH priority)
- Check if List of bugs (HotA) are fixed in Horn of the Abyss (Changelog)#Version 1.7.1
- (IMPEDIMENT: NEEDS HC) A Distant Cry, Senseless Destruction: Loss condition doesn't match description. Is this correct? Either fix the hint or the loss condition.
- The Shores of Hell map was changed in HotA 1.7.0.--Archer (talk) 10:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe re-export and/or check the diffs to what we currently have? --Legate (talk) 20:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know how they did it, but they MIRRORED the map and optimised a couple of areas here and there. I'll go through it and change everything, but it is impressive to 100% accurately mirror a map, even if they have a custom program to do it!
15:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Beyond the Horizon was changed in 1.7.1, the Witch's Hut in the bottom-right corner (guarded by harpy hags, near the purple tent) is now a Seer's Hut, who teaches Earth and Water magic to Henrietta. There are probably other changes. --Turnam (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Timeline: Terror of the Seas level 1 (Prisoner of Doom) mentions on Day 1 that the Festival of Life is over.
New Features (in progress)
- Maps (To Do list):
- Questions:
- Anyone know the region names associated with this map: File:Erathia - Fdon Fbury and ForestLow.png? --Legate (talk) 04:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does Gaia's Crest belong to Erathia or AvLee?
- Does Land of the Giants belong to AvLee, Eeofol or Nighon?
- Nighon: The Antagarich physical map colors it like Nighon. This agrees with Antagarich#Geography that Turnam just added.
- Eeofol: World on Fire intro makes it seem like part of the halfling homeland.
- AvLee: What we currently have on the maps.
- Aren't "Eeofol" and "Land of the Giants" synonyms anyway? In MM7, the "tunnels to Eeofol" lead you to the Land of the Giants region. --Turnam (talk) 08:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I found several maps that I would love to include, but am not sure general copyright rules etc. as they represent a lot of work from various people (whom I have not yet tried to get in touch with):
- Markon Phoenix (https://www.deviantart.com/markonphoenix/gallery/59563259/maps) - There are maps of Enroth (planet), Enroth (continent), Jadame, Antagarich, Regna, the Ifarine Sea.
- I also found this one very interesting where he correclated campaign scenarios to specific locations. Unfortunately it is for Homm2 and not Homm3! (https://www.deviantart.com/markonphoenix/art/Continent-of-Enroth-Campaigns-670412564)
- Katarn (https://www.celestialheavens.com/forum/topic?t=12896&start=200) - This map of Enroth (planet) represents the collective research of many folks over at Celestial Heavens.
- Unfortunately, those maps are very much fan-fiction. In other words, they are not entirely correct, even if they are quite beautiful-looking. The uncharted lands also do not match NWC's own mapmaking style. This is especially noticeable in Katarn's map.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 19:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Markon Phoenix (https://www.deviantart.com/markonphoenix/gallery/59563259/maps) - There are maps of Enroth (planet), Enroth (continent), Jadame, Antagarich, Regna, the Ifarine Sea.
- Still need:
- World: Enroth (planet)
- Continents: Enroth (continent), Jadame
- Countries: Regna, Terra Nova
- Regions: Shantanna, Deep Caverns, Nighon Strait, Shandar River, All Jadame regions
- In my opinion, Jadame's regions should be included with some basic info. They give a bit more background to Jadame as a whole, for the reader, without being overwhelmingly explained (because they can be, and for such in-depth explanations should be other wikis). After all, the world is a whole, things become intertwined, and having the minimum to show that is fine. In fact, to me it sounds more silly if those regions are not there - they could mislead the reader into thinking that Jadame's only region is Ravage Roaming or something, leave them disappointed about what a boring continent Terra Nova is on and so on. Otherwise, I could help out a bit more with that, but I can't promise anything.--FirePaladin2 (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Questions:
- Lost Lore - Update {{wll}} to a better icon/resize to match other similar templates?
Desired Additions
- Create a Campaign Editor page.
- Include the no-campaign map watercolor paintings (e.g. File:Cmap hota 4.png).
- Make a supporting characters page. (See Category: Supporting character). Have sortable columns for name/affiliation/species.
File upload/editing
NOTES
• In a command terminal run: "oxipng -o 6 -s -r ." to losslessly compress all png images: github.com/shssoichiro/oxipng
• Animated png files will play on pages if they are full size. Animated gif files will play regardless.
- Add pics of the toolstrip buttons for the Map Editor and Campaign Editor.
- (IMPEDIMENT: NEEDS H4) I think we should add the intro video of Heroes 4 to The Reckoning with a note. Although this isn't part of Heroes 3, that video is really the final event in the Heroes 3 timeline/story. --Legate (talk) 14:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- (IMPEDIMENT: Talk to HotA team?) (HIGH priority) Add missing pics for Factory puzzle map to Obelisk#Factory
- (HIGH priority) Add factory heroes to Adventure map hero sprites (may just need to rename files/convert to gifs).
- (HIGH priority) Some visiting schemes from List of adventure map objects (HotA) (See Special:WantedFiles)
Template (advanced)
- Something seems to have changed...Bonus artifacts for scenarios are smaller than the other bonuses. See Template:BonusArt --Legate (talk) 20:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Low Priority/Backburner
Low Priority/Backburner
Research/Explain game concepts
- I think it would be worth adding a page or two about AI behaviour in detail, such as how it affects kiting, etc. -- Csaros (talk)
Content: Page Creation/Updating
Missing Info
- Single scenarios: Add all the timed/object events like seen on the campaign scenarios. (See All for One)
- Figure out who the narrator in the Heroes Chronicles campaigns is.
Standardization
- Update Factory's build tree to match other towns
- Find all the random colors (e.g. "color:#d8d8eb", rgb(253, 253, 253)) then do one of the following 1) switch them to our template colors (Template:Color templates) (if they match an existing category), 2) switch them to [| standard wiki colors] (if they are one-off colors (e.g. when highlighting the best/worst values)), or 3) add colors to Template:Color templates and switch to using the standard template (e.g. {{Blue 1}}) (if they are for a new category of pages)
- Consider standardizing buildings to use templates seen on Skeleton Transformer.
- Go through the campaign videos and copy them into an "Appearance" section of the pages of the heroes/creatures/etc. that they depict. (See Behemoth).
- Go through all user commentary to standardise all language and make it grammatically sound.
Desired Updates
- Write tips on campaign scenario pages (212.112.111.20)
- Sometimes there are tips on the main campaign pages under User Commentary. (e.g. Dragon's Blood)
- I've noticed there are a bunch of strategy/tips on https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Tunnels_of_Ice. Should/Can we cite/copy that info here or leave a link to them?
- The CC BY-SA seems like a very open license. I would just add attribution using the appropriate link (to the edit summary)
- Add banned spells/artifacts/heroes/secondary skills (except banned for default) to campaign/single scenario pages.
Desired Additions
- A page (perhaps Maps/extra) with links to resources with extra maps and overall other external resources (such as h3 assist, etc) could be useful, especially for beginners. Is that allowed with the wiki, though? Can we link f.e. Xenofex's h3assist or maps4heroes and write how they're popular among players? - Csaros
- Concept art, pre-release screenshots, and other such promotional material.
- Here are some websites/galleries we can use to add material from:
17:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_III:_The_Restoration_of_Erathia
- https://h3.heroes.net.pl/galeria/modele-3d
- https://www.h3.acidcave.net/galeria_i_filmy_oryginalne_hd.html
- George Almond's portfolio: Heroes sketchbook & Hero portraits
- Phelan Sykes' portfolio is dead, some content may be salvageable through the Internet Archive: Heroes 3 and Heroes 3 expansions
- Here are some websites/galleries we can use to add material from:
- Developer interviews and other articles with important information about the game and its universe.
- (For this and previous bullet) A lot of this material is now lost or hard to find, and this will only get worse as time passes. Some other wikis for other franchises have been pretty good at safekeeping such documents (I'm thinking for example of the UESP for Elder Scrolls games). --Turnam (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Consider adding a second timeline page showing the games in the M&M universe and where H3 falls in them? --Legate (talk) 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe limit this to the games that take place on Enroth (planet) + H4 (direct sequel)?
- Make maps to show attacks during the wars/campaigns. Use campaign maps + colored arrows to show aggression.
File upload/editing
- Replace Town Build Trees with interactable build trees (similar coding to the main page with visuals linking to appropriate objects) to easily navigate objects from the Build Tree itself. - Csaros (talk)
- I think that is a pretty cool idea. Sounds like a job for Phasma! --Legate (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- I can certainly give that a go, but I have no idea how the arrows would work in that case. This is definitely a fun idea but a long-term one that might have to wait until a solution for that is found.
00:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Did you ever get your image map thing figured out? Maybe this would work well with that (so only the building pics are clickable and the background/lines are not)? --Legate (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- I can certainly give that a go, but I have no idea how the arrows would work in that case. This is definitely a fun idea but a long-term one that might have to wait until a solution for that is found.
- Maybe use the pictures/names found in the town hall build screen? Could change the background on the text to match our current scheme (i.e. green=dwellings, teal=unique, red=fortifications, etc.) --Legate (talk) 22:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think that is a pretty cool idea. Sounds like a job for Phasma! --Legate (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Template (advanced)
- I wonder if it would be possible to change the hover-over text for {{An}}/{{Cn}}/{{Hn}} to be what the effect/stats/specialty is? --Legate (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head, I thought of a massive switch statement in the template, but that would be a pain to build/maintain and may slow down the page loads.
- I suppose it would probably be easier to build/maintain as a lua script. –imahero 22:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
–imahero 22:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, here with another pie-in-the sky/probably a ton of work idea. For campaign scenarios, the coordinates located on the pages are generally helpful only if you have the scenario editor open (and have the campaign broken into scenarios). I think it would be possible to make a map that has things like the seer's huts labelled with numerical overlays. ([[1]] - Brisbane example). We may even be able to do this somewhat programmatically - make a template that takes in the map file and coordinates for what we want to label. Since the size of the map is known (e.g. Medium is 72x72), then a hut at (50, 15, 0) would be 50/72 of the way across the image in the x-direction and 15/72 of the way down in the y-direction, in the upper-world. --Legate (talk) 02:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- So as not to clutter things up or increase loading time, we could only show this map on some kind of button press.
- We should already have the tools for this. We already have the map files and coordinates, and we already used overlays in Template:BonusCr.
- Consider making extra templates to clean up the scenario pages (e.g. Some kind of location/message template) (See Template:TErow for example)
- Also switch templates to the correct color palette (See Template:Color templates)
- Template:SmCost does not work when placed in the "effect=" parameter of Template:TErow.
- NOTE: Also happens in the "rew=" param or Template:SorQrow.
- Doesn't seem to work properly when it is the first thing in a parameter. WORKAROUND: add "{{-}}" before using the template --Legate (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Make a template to standardize the maps on the country pages.
Wiki settings (advanced)
- Looking at the campaign videos again, I don't think we fully solved the problem. Some videos look good, but at least Warlords of the Wasteland still looks bad.
- Maybe was an issue of the cc or something? I deleted it to check. Maybe undelete if it doesn't actually fix the problem. –imahero 23:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dead or Alive epilogue video is currently the one voiced in Russian.
- The idea of "clickable regions" of pictures has gotten mentioned a few times. Research if/how this is possible. --Legate (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Vision: Certain regions of an image could be configured to light up & link to another page like the main menu.
- Pages to modify if implemented:
- Timeline: Link to all the referenced pages.
- Antagarich: Add clickable maps to move between the location pages.
- The usual way to add clickable maps for a MediaWiki is to install the ImageMap extension. I don't see it already here, so that's a topic for the wiki owner.
Notes
- Use "#*" to add a comment to an item without breaking the numbering.
- Use <li value="your_number_here"></li> to restart a numeric list if there are breaks in between the numbers (e.g. comments).
- For discussion surrounding current changes, use Changelog Chat.