Proposals

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General/Ongoing

  1. Help clear the Maintenance Reports for unused/broken/wanted items!
  2. Check out and verify Trivia#Unverified Claims
  3. Look for pages that need help and report them here (e.g. unreadable color scheme, missing info)
  4. Use {{unk}} to mark text we need to fill in. That way all the unknown text will link to that template!
    • Also, help clear the pages linking to the template by filling in the missing info.
  5. Record any in-game bugs found here: List of bugs (HotA)

Factory

  1. Clear out Special:WantedFiles
    • TODO: A bunch of these just need already uploaded pngs to be converted to gifs:
    • NOTES:
      • Great job with all the file uploads, imahero! --Legate (talk) 20:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
      • It looks as if assets that should be animated gifs are uploaded as a png with all the frames next to each other (e.g. File:Avgarma.png). Is there an easy/automatic way to convert these to gifs?
      • Here is an archive with all the images extracted using MMArchive. MMArchive doesn't have the same limitations as FreeHeroes so you should be able to find everything there. –imahero 23:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Add missing info for Factory puzzle map to Obelisk#Factory
  3. Add all Forged in Fire campaign scenario map info/events.

Specific

Community Requests

  1. Write tips on campaign scenario pages (212.112.111.20)
    • Sometimes there are tips on the main campaign pages under User Commentary. (e.g. Dragon's Blood)
    • I've noticed there are a bunch of strategy/tips on https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Tunnels_of_Ice. Should/Can we cite/copy that info here or leave a link to them?
      • The CC BY-SA seems like a very open license. I would just add attribution using the appropriate link (to the edit summary)
  2. A page (perhaps Maps/extra) with links to resources with extra maps and overall other external resources (such as h3 assist, etc) could be useful, especially for beginners. Is that allowed with the wiki, though? Can we link f.e. Xenofex's h3assist or maps4heroes and write how they're popular among players? - Csaros
    • Yes. Anything related to Heroes 3 should be fine here. We already have a list for tools. Individual pages for each tool would also be fine. –imahero 19:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. Add banned spells to campaign/single scenario pages.

Research/Explain game concepts

  1. Breath Attack could use a diagram of how it works (specifically when attacking straight up or down)
    • I found this, but I have no idea the accuracy or completeness. --Legate (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
      • This may be affected by Mechanics and Engineers as these are the first 1-tile creatures with a breath attack.
        • ANECDOTE: I did notice a...bug? nuance?...with attacker's Engineers attacking in the down-left direction vs. a 2-tile enemy not hitting the expected second tile. --Legate (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
          • Actually, this is related to the pic just above. In the pic, top row, second from the left, I expected there to be a 2nd red arrow going in the down-left direction. The diagram does not have one, which matched the in-game behavior I saw. --Legate (talk) 15:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
          • There is a bug (perhaps intended) that if a Mechanic attacks a two hex creature (usually I found it when attacking from the hex right above or right below the 2-hex monster) with the sword-arrow pointing to the direction from which she came to attack, the fire attack follows the direction of her movement and not the direction of the sword-arrow. - Csaros
  2. Obstacle Penalty could use a diagram or explanation of how it works. Is it everything inside the ring wall? Does obstacle penalty disappear when the wall goes down?
    • I think it's still there even if a part of a wall is broken - Csaros
    • If your troops stand in a good position, as well as a part of a wall is broken, the Obstacle Penalty will disappear.
    • All the W hexed are indestructible. If the shooting trajectory passes through W hexes or other hexes that have not been destroyed, the Obstacle Penalty will be calculated, unless the shooters are stand inside the wall or the shooters ignore Obstacle Penalty. If you stand close enough, the Distance Penalty will also not be calculated. --Sanust (talk) 03:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. I think it would be worth adding a page or two about AI behaviour in detail, such as how it affects kiting, etc. -- Csaros (talk)
  4. Does petrification / stone gaze affect damage taken from a moat? - Csaros (talk) 13:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. I heard that Stronghold doesn't have a moat in Restoration of Erathia. Is that true? --Sanust (talk) 02:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Content: Page Creation/Updating

Tools

  1. Create a Campaign Editor page.

Missing Info

  1. Single scenarios: Add all the timed/object events like seen on the campaign scenarios.
    • I know this is a huge task. Figured I would just put it here for if we run out of other stuff to do in the future :) --Legate (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Probably want to figure out a way to automatically export/convert text into the form we want.
  2. Finish updating campaign scenario pages:
    1. Add remaining right-click text to: HC, HotA campaigns
      • This text can either be found in-game or under "regionText" in the json export from FreeHeroes tool.
    2. Upload/add remaining campaign maps: HC
  3. Some campaign scenarios are missing a bunch of items (e.g. artifacts/quest guards/etc). (see Valley of the Dragon Lords).
  4. Update campaign heroes pages with base hero + modifications.
  5. ON HOLD (MISSING INFO #4) Hero biographies: Fill in missing info
  6. ON HOLD (FACTORY #3) Add Forged in Fire heroes to Template: Campaign hero table (reskins).
  7. ON HOLD (FACTORY #3) Add Forged in Fire heroes to Template: Factory heroes (minor), etc.
  8. List of all town names: Add custom town names from hota campaigns

Standardization

  1. Update Factory's build tree to match other towns

Story

  1. Create a campaign timeline (See Timeline). Remaining discussion:
    • Move Terror of the Seas to not look concurrent with Horn of the Abyss?
    • Cove campaigns feature Dargem and occur after "Forged in Fire" > "Dead or Alive" in which Dargem (likely) dies in the Epilogue?
      • The "Forged in Fire" part of the timeline looks right as in Tomb Raiders it explicitly mentions that it happens 4 years after Dead or Alive and 1 year after Kastore became king of Deyja (so closely following the end of Song for the Father makes sense as that ends with the Death of the Lich King Gryphonheart.
      • With that info, I think that the 3 cove campaigns should be moved so that they all end before 1165 (i.e. when "Dead or Alive" occur).
      • This makes the most sense to me as Dargem would have been cast out of Regnan society (stated in "Dead or Alive") and came to Jadame after opposing the Bidley (who became the new pirate king at the end of "Horn of the Abyss"). As others have stated, it is extremely unlikely that Dargem survived past the end of "Dead or Alive". --Legate (talk) 21:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Also, In Master of the Island, Jeremy and Alkin make an alliance against a landing party of demons from Eeofol. This puts the cove campaigns after World on Fire.
      • RECOMMENDATION: With all that said, I would put all 3 cove campaigns after World on Fire (1162) and before Dead or Alive (1165). --Legate (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Baloney...Treachery mentions "...strange cities with golden-domed castles have begun appearing out of thin air all across the continent." That puts Terror of the Seas concurrent with Armageddon's Blade (campaign) like you had it. Dargem must have survived his encounter with Boyd! --Legate (talk) 22:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
    • The dates are A.S. (After the Silence). Worth adding this?
      • In that case it would probably also be worth adding what Silence is, what are the Ancients and general lore (What the planet is f.e.)
    • In Armageddon's Blade (campaign), Tavin is seen helping Gelu so that he may "restore his [Tavin's] homeland, which means it must happen before Homecoming (HotA)?
  2. Add a page with a map of Enroth, showing the continents and countries found there.
    • There are at least maps of Antagarich found in the Campaign Editor.
    • Could even add clickable regions to navigate to the pages for the countries.
  3. Add story info to hero pages.
  4. Go through the campaign videos and copy them into an "Appearance" section of the pages of the heroes/creatures/etc. that they depict. (See Behemoth).

File upload/editing

  NOTES
    • In a command terminal run: "oxipng -o 6 -s -r ." to losslessly compress all png images: github.com/shssoichiro/oxipng
    • Animated png files will play on pages if they are full size. Animated gif files will play regardless.

  1. Add pics of the buttons/menus from the Map Editor and Campaign Editor. That way Csaros doesn't have to just have a wall of text on Map Editor!
    • I've already uploaded a ton of appropriate pictures a few days ago, just didn't have time to place them in the Map Editor entry itself. I'll gladly use some help with them. The Map Editor file is also not finished, but I should be done with it soon. -- Csaros (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
    • I sorted most of them. I still think it would be helpful to have the pics of the toolbar/mode bar buttons to add to the appropriate sections --Legate (talk) 21:28, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Replace Town Build Trees with interactable build trees (similar coding to the main page with visuals linking to appropriate objects) to easily navigate objects from the Build Tree itself. - Csaros (talk)
    • I think that is a pretty cool idea. Sounds like a job for Phasma! --Legate (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
      • I can certainly give that a go, but I have no idea how the arrows would work in that case. This is definitely a fun idea but a long-term one that might have to wait until a solution for that is found. → Phasma 00:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Did you ever get your image map thing figured out? Maybe this would work well with that (so only the building pics are clickable and the background/lines are not)? --Legate (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Maybe use the pictures/names found in the town hall build screen? Could change the background on the text to match our current scheme (i.e. green=dwellings, teal=unique, red=fortifications, etc.) --Legate (talk) 22:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. I think we should add the intro video of Heroes 4 to The Reckoning with a note. Although this isn't part of Heroes 3, that video is really the final event in the Heroes 3 timeline/story. --Legate (talk) 14:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. and are 8 pixels too small in height. → Phasma 04:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Template (advanced)

  1. I wonder if it would be possible to change the hover-over text for {{An}}/{{Cn}}/{{Hn}} to be what the effect/stats/specialty is? --Legate (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Off the top of my head, I thought of a massive switch statement in the template, but that would be a pain to build/maintain and may slow down the page loads.
    • I suppose it would probably be easier to build/maintain as a lua script. –imahero 22:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • All opponents have these spells effective on them for fifty turns: Slow, Curse, Weakness, and Misfortune. Component effects: +3 to Attack and Defense, +2 to Spell Power and Knowledge. After a stack of living creatures is slain, a stack of Fangarms will rise in their stead and will stay loyal to the hero after the battle concludes. [[File:Armageddon's Blade_am-artif.gif|]] –imahero 22:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. A few minor heroes (e.g. Niven, Duke Alarice (hero)) don't turn their names bold on the navigation panel to the right when on their page.
    • My guess is this is due to having a redirect. Is there a way we can modify the page or redirect or something to make this work? --Legate (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Make a locations sidebar similar to Template: Castle heroes, based or the hierarchy starting with Enroth (planet).
    • Created Template:Locations. What should the color scheme be (i.e. green=heroes, orange=artifacts, blue=creatures, dark blue=maps, cyan= spells, gray=towns, purple=buildings) --Legate (talk) 19:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
      • NOTE: Main spell page uses gray...should we update that to cyan?
      • I chose gold for now. Thoughts? --Legate (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Ok, here with another pie-in-the sky/probably a ton of work idea. For campaign scenarios, the coordinates located on the pages are generally helpful only if you have the scenario editor open (and have the campaign broken into scenarios). I think it would be possible to make a map that has things like the seer's huts labelled with numerical overlays. ([[1]] - Brisbane example). We may even be able to do this somewhat programmatically - make a template that takes in the map file and coordinates for what we want to label. Since the size of the map is known (e.g. Medium is 72x72), then a hut at (50, 15, 0) would be 50/72 of the way across the image in the x-direction and 15/72 of the way down in the y-direction, in the upper-world. --Legate (talk) 02:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
    • So as not to clutter things up or increase loading time, we could only show this map on some kind of button press.
    • We should already have the tools for this. We already have the map files and coordinates, and we already used overlays in Template:BonusCr.
  5. Reformat several scenario page tables. Please give your opinions! --Legate (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Rumor and Timed Event Tables (See Homecoming) (Status: roe (done through Liberation), ab, sod, hc, hota)
      • Is there some way to only make the "Message" column wrap/resize? Currently, I hardcoded the width of the first 2 columns, but I would prefer that they determine their length based on the text in the column. --Legate (talk) 13:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Reformat Seer's Hut/Quest Guard/Quest Gate tables in campaign scenarios to be more readable. (See Template: SorQrow) (Status: roe, ab, sod, hc, hota)

Wiki settings (advanced)

  1. Looking at the campaign videos again, I don't think we fully solved the problem. Some videos look good, but at least Warlords of the Wasteland still looks bad.
    • Maybe was an issue of the cc or something? I deleted it to check. Maybe undelete if it doesn't actually fix the problem. –imahero 23:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Dead or Alive epilogue video is currently the one voiced in Russian.
      • Are there actual english versions? Link to youtube video of them maybe? –imahero 23:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
      • I don't think there are, but maybe use the version with no narration? --Legate (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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