Proposals

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General/Ongoing

  1. Help clear the Maintenance Reports for unused/broken/wanted items!
  2. Check out and verify Trivia#Unverified Claims
  3. Look for pages that need help and report them here (e.g. unreadable color scheme in "Aesthetics", missing info in "Missing Info")
    • Also report if data for an expansion is shown improperly (e.g. HotA functional data is seen when HotA is disabled via the switch on the top or left (Lore should always be visible)). Report these issues here in "Standardization".
  4. Use {{unk}} to mark text we need to fill in. That way all the unknown text will link to that template!
    • Also, help clear the pages linking to the template by filling in the missing info.
  5. Record any in-game bugs found here: List of bugs (HotA)

Specific

Research/Explain game concepts (HIGH priority)

In-game concepts that are insufficiently explained on this wiki. These likely require testing in the game or map editor to explain.

  1. Breath Attack could use a diagram of how it works (specifically when attacking straight up or down)
  2. "RMG Value" is referenced on List of adventure map objects and AI value, but never explained. Maybe add explanation to Random Map? Add links from these pages when done.
  3. Champion's jousting ability - I think this increases damage by the distance between the starting/ending hex and NOT the distance travelled by the unit during the attack?
    • If it is the travelled distance, I think there is a bug in the damage calculation for the Hota UI expected damage tooltip.

Discussion

Topics on the direction of different features. Used to gain a consensus before making a more major change.

Missing Info

Parts of the wiki that are missing information. These are usually marked with {{unk}} (???).

  1. (IMPEDIMENT: Talk to HotA team) I can't find any info about the following items: --Legate (talk) 00:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. List of adventure map objects: Abandoned Mine missing RMG value.
  3. Flesh out pages for all Jadame regions and all Enroth (continent) regions.
    • Include some basic info and a map where possible.

Fix

Parts of the wiki that are currently incorrect and need to be fixed.

  1. Timeline (IMPEDIMENT: Wait for double-check to be finished)
    • NOTE: I'm currently in the middle of a deep-dive double-check of the timeline (feel free to help!). See Talk:Timeline for the work-in-progress. --Legate (talk) 19:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Status: First pass of notes complete. I think I have looked at everything available within Homm3. Let me know if you find any errors or more info! --Legate (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
      • To Do: Look at info from other M&M games.
  2. (IMPEDIMENT: Wait for timeline double-check to be finished) Update List of wars in Enroth (world), List of games set in Enroth (world) to match Timeline.
  3. Template:Spell probability table uses a rough calculation for spell chance. Use the more detailed equation detailed on the page and update the numbers (see talk page for details).

Double-check

Parts of the wiki that seem odd. These need some research to decide if a fix is needed or not.

  1. Map Editor - Objects page mentions SoD bugs when specifying artifact / resource guards. Did these bugs actually occur in SoD? Have they been fixed completely in Hota? - Csaros (talk)
  2. The Courtier mentions "Zoological Accounts" as supposedly another tale by Xanthor. Is this 1) Another Lost Lore story we don't have yet, 2) a story that was never published, or 3) A reference to the faction descriptions currently attributed to Marcus Finch?
  3. List of adventure map objects: I assume that some of these objects got added with ab/sod? If so, mark the source accordingly.
  4. List of adventure map objects: Keymaster's tent has various RMG values for HotA. What are these referring to? Do different colors spawn at different rates? Is this even accurate?
    • NOTE: ShushMaster added these values on Sept. 20, 2018 (in case that helps)
  5. Josephine's starting creatures in SoD. For all other default heroes, the 2nd stack holds to a certain variable range for creature type. I suspect her second stacks should be 2-3 Stone Golem Stone Golems instead of just 2. --Legate (talk) 14:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Standardization

Parts of the wiki that don't match related parts of the wiki.

  1. Add story info to hero pages.
  2. Go through all artifact pages and remove information duplicated by the body text and templates on the right.

File upload/editing

Any missing/incorrect files on the wiki. These usually require looking in the game files, screenshotting the game, or locating the file online.
  NOTES
    • In a command terminal run: "oxipng -o 6 -s -r ." to losslessly compress all png images: github.com/shssoichiro/oxipng
    • Animated png files will play on pages if they are full size. Animated gif files will play regardless.

  1. Add pics of the toolstrip buttons for the Map Editor and Campaign Editor.
  2. (IMPEDIMENT: NEEDS H4) I think we should add the intro video of Heroes 4 to The Reckoning with a note. Although this isn't part of Heroes 3, that video is really the final event in the Heroes 3 timeline/story. --Legate (talk) 14:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. (IMPEDIMENT: Talk to HotA team?) (HIGH priority) Add missing pics for Factory puzzle map to Obelisk#Factory
  4. (HIGH priority) Some visiting schemes from List of adventure map objects (See Special:WantedFiles)
  5. Some of the creature dwelling pics are virtually identical to their upgraded version (e.g. Chapel of Stilled Voices, Altar of Thought). Can we update these pics to show more of a difference?
  6. Change all Adventure map creature sprites shadows to be semi-transparent black
  7. Template: H2 looks a little strange with the hero pictures being slightly different than the class pictures (they have a border). Update the class pictures to match.
  8. Add pictures of the Letters to Catherine from the mm6 manual. These can be found with a quick Google search. Add to the Roland page once uploaded.
  9. Add pictures of the Diaries of Archibald from the mm7 manual. These can be found with a quick Google search. Add to the Archibald page once uploaded.
  10. Add pictures of the Day of the Destroyer tale from the mm8 manual. This can be found with a quick Google search. Add to the Escaton page once uploaded.
  11. The Shores of Hell: Update map screenshots
  12. Let's rename the Proposals icon to something more welcoming (and add a more welcoming message to the top of this page). Maybe something like "Help Out!" --Legate (talk)

Aesthetics

Any visual issues with the wiki (e.g. color schemes, text alignment, generally gross-looking pages).

  • (none)

Template (advanced)

Issues with templates used on this wiki. Usually requires knowledge of MediaWiki to fix.

  • Template:Artifact sidebar: Odd behavior when disabling, then enabling content switches. Hota rows are shown when when should be suppressed.
  • Content Switching error: The table |- class='onlyhota' seems to erroneously negate style settings for the row (style settings for the cell still work fine). --Legate (talk) 17:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

New Features (in progress)

New features/pages being added to the wiki. Feel free to help on any of them or contact the lead if you have questions!

  1. Maps (Lead: Legate)
    • Questions:
      1. Does Land of the Giants belong to AvLee, Eeofol or Nighon?
        • Nighon: The Antagarich physical map colors it like Nighon.
          • This agrees with Antagarich#Geography that Turnam just added. This states: "The Dungeon Overlords rule the eastern shores of the Erathian continent, as well as the Nighon islands off the coast."
        • Eeofol: World on Fire intro makes it seem like part of the halfling homeland.
          • Aren't "Eeofol" and "Land of the Giants" synonyms anyway? In MM7, the "tunnels to Eeofol" lead you to the Land of the Giants region. --Turnam (talk) 08:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
        • AvLee: What we currently have on the maps.
        • RESOLUTION: Land of the Giants was part of the halfling homeland of Eeofol before the Night of Shooting Stars. It seems as though when the Kreegans conquered Eeofol, Nighon opportunistically grabbed it to create a foothold on the main continent. Since our maps are based ~1167 AS, lets change it to Nighon and add some explanation about this. --Legate (talk) 13:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
      2. I think the Contested Lands section is not entirely accurate. I think some of the regions listed may actually be part of Erathia.
    • Still need:
      1. Countries: Regna, Terra Nova
      2. Make a modified version of each country map that shows the country in question with the regions written in? --Legate (talk) 04:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. List of games set in Enroth (world) (Lead: None)
  3. Update Town building trees. (Lead: Phasma)
  4. Hex Editing - Guide‎‎ (Lead: Csaros)
    • This is all phenomenal info! Good job condensing it all to one page. --Legate (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
    • Are there any pictures that would add to the readability of this page? Maybe screenshots of the hex editor at specific locations?
    • Maybe it would be helpful to color the text to show how it line up better? Example:
      • TT000000 ID000000 AA000000 DD000000 DM000000 U4000000 U5000000
        • TT - item 1
        • ID - item 2
        • AA - item 3
        • DD - item 4
        • DM - item 5
        • U4 - item 6
        • U5 - item 7
          • That's actually a great idea. I think color-coding it would make it much easier to find appropriate explanations. At the same time, I don't know if there's a point in screenshoting the hex editor. I can screenshot the editor or the results of modding the game, but idk how that helps understand the coding.
            • At the same time, I wish someone else who knows more than I do could help me with what I'm missing - f.e. Resource Silos, Mana Generator, etc. - Csaros (talk)
    • Prepare a detailed table for heroes, creatures, spells etc. with reference IDS and all relevant offsets.
      • Is there an easy way to create tables for the wiki, other than rewriting values row by row one by one? Csaros (talk) 15:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
  5. H3CSS Graphical overhaul for the wiki. (Lead: None)
    • Phasma added a bunch of pics for the desired look to the discord channel, just need someone with CSS knowledge (or desire to learn) to run with it! --Legate (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  6. Create a Campaign Editor page. (Lead: Csaros)
    • Include the no-campaign map watercolor paintings (e.g. File:Cmap hota 4.png).
      • Status: Started adding maps. Need to check what is available in the campaign editor and correct this page/add captions. I am not sure if we have all of the actual maps uploaded or not. --Legate (talk) 14:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
        • Just went into the campaign editor, here are the maps we are missing:
          • Song for the Father
          • Long Live the Queen (although it's a 3-map copy of Dungeons and Devils)
          • Long Live the King (near-identical to Song for the Father)
          • Islands (it contains 3 islands, first two are star with 4-points shaped the last one is squarish; I think it may be Foolhardy Waywardness map, but I may misremember it)
          • Unholy Alliance
          • Terror of the Seas (4 islands + what appears to be Erathia)
          • Horn of the Abyss

Desired Additions

Things we would like to add to the wiki in the near future that no one has started work on (yet).

  1. Make a supporting characters page. (See Category: Supporting character). Have sortable columns for name/affiliation/species.
  2. Create Lore page that will fit all main information and links to all detailed pages on the lore (we can include chronology, politics, Lost Lore, etc. into this). - Csaros (talk)
    • Are you envisioning something different than the Lore tab on the main menu? --Legate (talk) 13:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
      • Yes, something more akin to f.e. acidcave's Ashan lore page, which explains in details the entire timeline, plot of each campaign, notes on all important backstory events mention; it also covers what happened to most of relevant campaign characters at every point (here the Queen was born, here Sandro's parents was killed, here Markal became his student etc.) all in one nice to read text. I wish something like this existed for H3; I, sadly, don't know enough about heroes 3 lore to write it (and then I wouldn't wish for it). - Csaros (talk)

Low Priority/Backburner

Low Priority/Backburner

Things we would like to add to the wiki in the long term.

Research/Explain game concepts

  1. I think it would be worth adding a page or two about AI behaviour in detail, such as how it affects kiting, etc. -- Csaros (talk)
    • In case I forget: AI is coded to always pick the most bottom right part of the screen if two hexes are equidistant to their target.
    • Another note for it: We could add a description and explanation of some unusual AI behaviour that gets used by experienced players: Fake Breath is already there, but things like Kiting, Fake Forgetfulness, Areas of Danger, etc. are missing. - Csaros (talk)

Missing Info

  1. (IMPEDIMENT: Wait until all scenario sections have templates) Single scenarios: Add all the timed/object events like seen on the campaign scenarios. (See All for One)
    • I know this is a huge task. Figured I would just put it here for if we run out of other stuff to do in the future :) --Legate (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Probably want to figure out a way to automatically export/convert text into the form we want.
    • Maybe focus on the story/lore-based scenarios first? (e.g. Trial of Flame, The Mandate of Heaven, Dead Man's Tales, Ville'de'Porte)
      • There seem to be a bunch that mention named characters or places, but may not be connected to canon. --Legate (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Figure out who the narrator in the Heroes Chronicles campaigns is.
    • Old Wounds intro implies he is a descendant of Mensor. --Legate (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I doubt he's ever been given an actual name. If you want an identifier for him, how about calling him "The Chronicler"? Since he narrates the Chronicles... --Turnam (talk) 07:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Standardization

  1. Find all the random colors (e.g. "color:#d8d8eb", rgb(253, 253, 253)) then do one of the following 1) switch them to our template colors (Template:Color templates) (if they match an existing category), 2) switch them to [| standard wiki colors] (if they are one-off colors (e.g. when highlighting the best/worst values)), or 3) add colors to Template:Color templates and switch to using the standard template (e.g. {{Blue 1}}) (if they are for a new category of pages)
    • This is proving much harder than I thought...can anyone come up with a good string to search to find these? something like "color:#" should be fine, but search doesn't seem to like that. I can't get regex search to work either... --Legate (talk) 14:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Consider standardizing buildings to use templates seen on Skeleton Transformer.
  3. Go through the campaign videos and copy them into an "Appearance" section of the pages of the heroes/creatures/etc. that they depict. (See Behemoth).
  4. Go through all user commentary to standardize all language and make it grammatically sound.

Desired Updates

  1. Write tips on campaign scenario pages (212.112.111.20)
    • Sometimes there are tips on the main campaign pages under User Commentary. (e.g. Dragon's Blood)
    • I've noticed there are a bunch of strategy/tips on https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Tunnels_of_Ice. Should/Can we cite/copy that info here or leave a link to them?
      • The CC BY-SA seems like a very open license. I would just add attribution using the appropriate link (to the edit summary)
  2. Add banned spells/artifacts/heroes/secondary skills (except banned for default) to campaign/single scenario pages.

Desired Additions

  1. Concept art, pre-release screenshots, and other such promotional material.
  2. Developer interviews and other articles with important information about the game and its universe.
    • (For this and previous bullet) A lot of this material is now lost or hard to find, and this will only get worse as time passes. Some other wikis for other franchises have been pretty good at safekeeping such documents (I'm thinking for example of the UESP for Elder Scrolls games). --Turnam (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Make maps to show attacks during the wars/campaigns. Use campaign maps + colored arrows to show aggression.

File upload/editing

(none)

Template (advanced)

  1. I wonder if it would be possible to change the hover-over text for {{An}}/{{Cn}}/{{Hn}} to be what the effect/stats/specialty is? --Legate (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Off the top of my head, I thought of a massive switch statement in the template, but that would be a pain to build/maintain and may slow down the page loads.
    • I suppose it would probably be easier to build/maintain as a lua script. –imahero 22:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • All opponents have these spells effective on them for fifty turns: Slow, Curse, Weakness, and Misfortune. Component effects: +3 to Attack and Defense, +2 to Spell Power and Knowledge. After a stack of living creatures is slain, a stack of Fangarms will rise in their stead and will stay loyal to the hero after the battle concludes. [[File:Armageddon's Blade_am-artif.gif|]] –imahero 22:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Ok, here with another pie-in-the sky/probably a ton of work idea. For campaign scenarios, the coordinates located on the pages are generally helpful only if you have the scenario editor open (and have the campaign broken into scenarios). I think it would be possible to make a map that has things like the seer's huts labelled with numerical overlays. ([[3]] - Brisbane example). We may even be able to do this somewhat programmatically - make a template that takes in the map file and coordinates for what we want to label. Since the size of the map is known (e.g. Medium is 72x72), then a hut at (50, 15, 0) would be 50/72 of the way across the image in the x-direction and 15/72 of the way down in the y-direction, in the upper-world. --Legate (talk) 02:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
    • So as not to clutter things up or increase loading time, we could only show this map on some kind of button press.
    • We should already have the tools for this. We already have the map files and coordinates, and we already used overlays in Template:BonusCr.
  3. Consider making extra templates to clean up the scenario pages (e.g. Some kind of location/message template) (See Template:TErow for example)
  4. Template:SmCost does not work when placed in the "effect=" parameter of Template:TErow.
    • NOTE: Also happens in the "rew=" param or Template:SorQrow.
    • Doesn't seem to work properly when it is the first thing in a parameter. WORKAROUND: add "{{-}}" before using the template --Legate (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Make a template to standardize the maps on the country pages.

Wiki settings (advanced)

  1. Looking at the campaign videos again, I don't think we fully solved the problem. Some videos look good, but at least Warlords of the Wasteland still looks bad.
    • Maybe was an issue of the cc or something? I deleted it to check. Maybe undelete if it doesn't actually fix the problem. –imahero 23:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Dead or Alive epilogue video is currently the one voiced in Russian.
      • Are there actual english versions? Link to youtube video of them maybe? –imahero 23:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
      • I don't think there are, but maybe use the version with no narration? --Legate (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. The idea of "clickable regions" of pictures has gotten mentioned a few times. Research if/how this is possible. --Legate (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    • Vision: Certain regions of an image could be configured to light up & link to another page like the main menu.
    • Pages to modify if implemented:
      • Timeline: Link to all the referenced pages.
      • Antagarich: Add clickable maps to move between the location pages.
    • The usual way to add clickable maps for a MediaWiki is to install the ImageMap extension. I don't see it already here, so that's a topic for the wiki owner.

How To

Content Switches

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