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* <span style="color:purple">'''Purple: Conflicting Info'''</span>. If there is conflicting info, we give first preference to official in-game sources and game manuals, then to {{ll}} ({{wll}}) and {{hota}} ({{wh}}) second.
* <span style="color:purple">'''Purple: Conflicting Info'''</span>. If there is conflicting info, we give first preference to official in-game sources and game manuals, then to {{ll}} ({{wll}}) and {{hota}} ({{wh}}) second.
* <span style="color:grey">'''Gray: Likely Errors'''</span> are ignored.
* <span style="color:grey">'''Gray: Likely Errors'''</span> are ignored.
* <span style="color:teal">Teal: Current Best Guesses</span>
* <span style="color:teal">Teal: Current Best Guesses</span>. These are only recorded if we can narrow it down to a short possible span of years.


=== Restoration of Erathia (<span style="color:orange">1165-1168</span>) ===
=== Restoration of Erathia (<span style="color:orange">1165-1168</span>) ===
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** [[The Grail (campaign scenario)]] Prologue: Mentions needing independence soon before old hatreds return, so [[Seeds of Discontent]] occurs as early as possible.
** [[The Grail (campaign scenario)]] Prologue: Mentions needing independence soon before old hatreds return, so [[Seeds of Discontent]] occurs as early as possible.
=== Armageddon's Blade ===
=== Armageddon's Blade ===
* [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]]
* [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]] (<span style="color:teal">Sometime between 1168-1171 {{wll}}</span>)
** [[Catherine's Charge]]: Prologue mentions Restoration Wars are over, so [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]] begins no earlier than <span style="color:orange">1168</span>.
** [[Catherine's Charge]]: Prologue mentions Restoration Wars are over, so [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]] begins no earlier than <span style="color:orange">1168</span>.
** [[Catherine's Charge]]: Day 51 mentions it is the first day of the [[Festival of Life]], so [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]] is concurrent with [[Festival of Life]].
** [[Catherine's Charge]]: Day 51 mentions it is the first day of the [[Festival of Life]], so [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]] is concurrent with [[Festival of Life]].
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** {{wll}} [[Lost Manuscripts]]: <span style="color:red">01-26-1172</span>: Mutare is seen as a dragon, so [[Dragon's Blood]] occurs before <span style="color:orange">1171</span>.
** {{wll}} [[Lost Manuscripts]]: <span style="color:red">01-26-1172</span>: Mutare is seen as a dragon, so [[Dragon's Blood]] occurs before <span style="color:orange">1171</span>.
** {{wh}} A Seer in [[Homecoming (HotA)]] mentions that Ordwald is dead and Mutare is in power, so [[Dragon's Blood]] occurs before [[Homecoming (HotA)]].
** {{wh}} A Seer in [[Homecoming (HotA)]] mentions that Ordwald is dead and Mutare is in power, so [[Dragon's Blood]] occurs before [[Homecoming (HotA)]].
* [[Dragon Slayer]]
* [[Dragon Slayer]] (<span style="color:teal">Sometime between 1168-1171 {{wll}}</span>)
** [[Crystal Dragons]] Day 1: Mentioned that the Festival of Life happened "Approximately 30 or so years ago". As it occurs every 30 years, this puts [[Dragon Slayer]] roughly concurrent with [[Festival of Life]].
** [[Crystal Dragons]] Day 1: Mentioned that the Festival of Life happened "Approximately 30 or so years ago". As it occurs every 30 years, this puts [[Dragon Slayer]] roughly concurrent with [[Festival of Life]].
* [[Festival of Life]]
* [[Festival of Life]] (<span style="color:teal">Sometime between 1168-1171 {{wll}}</span>)
** {{wll}} [[Lost Manuscripts]]: <span style="color:red">03-15-1172</span>: Kilgor is directing Krewlod attacks, so is likely king. [[Festival of Life]] occurs before <span style="color:orange">1172</span>.
** {{wll}} [[Lost Manuscripts]]: <span style="color:red">03-15-1172</span>: Kilgor is directing Krewlod attacks, so is likely king. [[Festival of Life]] occurs before <span style="color:orange">1172</span>.
* [[Playing with Fire]]
* [[Playing with Fire]] (<span style="color:teal">Sometime between 1168-1171 {{wll}}</span>)
** Story: The antagonist is a reanimated Haart Lich. Since Lord Haart was killed in the epilogue of [[Song for the Father]]>[[For King and Country]], [[Playing with Fire]] occurs after [[Song for the Father]].
** Story: The antagonist is a reanimated Haart Lich. Since Lord Haart was killed in the epilogue of [[Song for the Father]]>[[For King and Country]], [[Playing with Fire]] occurs after [[Song for the Father]].
** [[March of the Undead]]: Day 30 mentions that the [[Festival of Life]] has started and Day 75 that Kilgor has won it, so [[Playing with Fire]] is concurrent with [[Festival of Life]].
** [[March of the Undead]]: Day 30 mentions that the [[Festival of Life]] has started and Day 75 that Kilgor has won it, so [[Playing with Fire]] is concurrent with [[Festival of Life]].
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* [[Birth of a Barbarian]]
* [[Birth of a Barbarian]]
** Story: Yog is invited to Krewlod by Duke Boragus. Boragus ruled from <span style="color:orange">~1141-1171</span>
** Story: Yog is invited to Krewlod by Duke Boragus. Boragus ruled from <span style="color:orange">~1141-1171</span>
** [[Unholy Alliance]]>[[Harvest]]: Event text describes Yog as a Barbarian, so [[Birth of a Barbarian]] occurs before [[Unholy Alliance]].
* [[Rise of the Necromancer]] (<span style="color:teal">1157a</span>)
* [[Rise of the Necromancer]] (<span style="color:teal">1157a</span>)
** [[Target]]: Day 1 mentions that Sandro has the Armor of the Damned, so [[Rise of the Necromancer]] occurs after [[Hack and Slash]]
** [[Target]]: Day 1 mentions that Sandro has the Armor of the Damned, so [[Rise of the Necromancer]] occurs after [[Hack and Slash]]
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* [[Under the Jolly Roger]]
* [[Under the Jolly Roger]]
** [[Pirates and Palms]] Day 2: Patris' history lesson puts this after <span style="color:orange">1162</span> (and maybe even after <span style="color:orange">1164</span>).
** [[Pirates and Palms]] Day 2: Patris' history lesson puts this after <span style="color:orange">1162</span> (and maybe even after <span style="color:orange">1164</span>).
* [[Terror of the Seas]]
* [[Terror of the Seas]] (<span style="color:teal">Sometime between 1168-1171 {{wll}}</span>)
** [[Prisoner of Doom]]: Day 1 mentions that the Festival of Life is currently running/just ended, so [[Terror of the Seas]] occurs immediately after [[Festival of Life]].
** [[Prisoner of Doom]]: Day 1 mentions that the Festival of Life is currently running/just ended, so [[Terror of the Seas]] occurs immediately after [[Festival of Life]].
** [[Evenmorn]]: Continues Jeremy's story from [[Under the Jolly Roger]], so [[Terror of the Seas]] occurs after [[Under the Jolly Roger]].
** [[Evenmorn]]: Continues Jeremy's story from [[Under the Jolly Roger]], so [[Terror of the Seas]] occurs after [[Under the Jolly Roger]].
* [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)]]
* [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)]] (<span style="color:teal">Sometime between 1168-1171 {{wll}}</span>)
** The story is a direct continuation of [[Terror of the Seas]], so [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)]] occurs after [[Terror of the Seas]].
** The story is a direct continuation of [[Terror of the Seas]], so [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)]] occurs after [[Terror of the Seas]].
** [[Treachery]] Day 12 mentions "...strange cities with golden-domed castles have begun appearing out of thin air all across the continent." (which are the Confluxes appearing during [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]]). That puts [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)]] concurrent with [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]].  
** [[Treachery]] Day 12 mentions "...strange cities with golden-domed castles have begun appearing out of thin air all across the continent." (which are the Confluxes appearing during [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]]). That puts [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)]] concurrent with [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]].  

Revision as of 18:38, 16 December 2024

Summary of campaign timing

This section is intended to have a quick summary with references of the key points in the timeline. This is for ease of reference when updating the timeline.

Legend

  • Red: Explicit Dates
  • Orange: Inferred Dates
  • Purple: Conflicting Info. If there is conflicting info, we give first preference to official in-game sources and game manuals, then to Lost Lore (Lost Lore) and Horn of the Abyss (Horn of the Abyss) second.
  • Gray: Likely Errors are ignored.
  • Teal: Current Best Guesses. These are only recorded if we can narrow it down to a short possible span of years.

Restoration of Erathia (1165-1168)

Armageddon's Blade

Shadow of Death

Horn of the Abyss Horn of the Abyss

Heroes Chronicles

Other Important Events

Useful unsorted data

Lore Timing Discussions

Dargem

  • I agree that Terror of the Seas and Horn of the Abyss should be moved - they confuse people as to the order of the HotA campaigns themselves (Horn fo the Abyss obviously occurs later). It would also be great to replace the image for an interactive map, such as the one used for the Main Menu, with links to appropriate campaigns.
  • There's another issue of placement of the Cove campaigns - in Terror of the Seas Dargem is alive and well, while he is killed in Dead or Alive. I think this suggests a rather obvious timeline for the two. - Csaros (talk) 10:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Epilogue of Terror of the Seas (Dargem feasibly lives through this):
Unnamed narrator: The defenders of the Regnan fortress shivered, and Casmetra and Jeremy hurried in. Dargem let the captive be and grabbed the Horn. He ran to the highest tower. While Jeremy was helping his brother untie the ropes, Casmetra yelled powerfully:

"Give the Horn back immediately!"

With a scared face, Dargem yelled back:

"Never! You betrayed me and left me alone! Now I know what to do!"

Taking the artifact in both hands, Dargem was just about to blow the Horn, when with a piercing "STOP!!!" Casmetra threw a magical spell at him. A huge magical explosion followed, and the shock wave destroyed half of a fortress, creating something like a whirlpool underneath it.

The only thing that Jeremy remembered was how he tried to get to higher ground desperately, and how Casmetra yelled:

"Idiot! We will be dragged into another plane of existence because of you!"

Hours, or maybe weeks after that, Jeremy found himself on a sea shore. Where is Bidley? And what happened to the Horn? May this be the end of the legend of the Horn of the Abyss?
  • Epilogue of Dead or Alive (Quite obviously Boyd killed him, and if you look at the cinematic it seems almost ridiculous to think otherwise): - Csaros (talk)
Henrietta: The chase… Sword in my hand… and the barely visible path between the lifeless hills ahead. I’m racing on, barely ever getting a glimpse of the map, and the silent skeleton rides by my side. Suddenly, I wake up, shaking off the nightmare that kept tormenting me for days, in the dreams and beyond. When we pinned down that worm, Dargem, I left Boyd and him to set their scores alone. Should I expect for a second restless dead man to come to my dreams tonight? Well, just two is not that bad. After fleeing from Eeofol, I was seeing thousands of them…
  • See also the "diary pages" from In Search of the Horn, Dargem has been stuck in a labyrinth for a while, at the behest of his "mistress", before his appearance in the Terror of the Seas campaign.
  • By the way, one more piece of evidence for chronology: the Day 12 message in Treachery:
More troubling news: war has broken out again between Erathia and Eeofol. Also, strange cities with golden-domed castles have begun appearing out of thin air all across the continent. Casmetra thinks it is an invasion by elemental lords. One of these cities appeared in the northern region of the archipelago. They've probably been attracted by the power of the Horn of the Abyss and hope to acquire it.
    • This places this mission, the last of the Terror of the Seas campaign, to be synchronous with Armageddon's Blade. So the Horn of the Abyss campaign must be synchronous with Armageddon's Blade too. Note that if we accept Dead or Alive to be the end of Dargem, that puts this mission to be after AB; considerably widening the time gap between missions 2 and 3 of the Forged in Fire campaign.
  • So a quick Dargem timeline would be like this: navigator mage working for one of the Regnan pirate lords. Tasked with getting the Horn of the Abyss, gets stuck in the labyrinth, loses all his troops to traps and illusion, gets imprisoned by another pirate band, is freed by Bidley and co., makes a grab for the Horn, and is blasted off away. Tries to seize it by force with an combined pirate/warlock army, fails again. After these repeated failures at grabbing the Horn, resort to extorting and harassing refugees stuck in the Jadame wasteland, but fails at this as well.
  • Alternatively, if Dargem somehow survives Boyd, then he harasses the refugees, gets his ass kicked, and is sent to a new assignment of hunting for the Horn. Where he also fails. This one might be actually easier to reconcile with the timeline as drawn so far.
    • The second option is easier to reconcile with other issues, sure, but there's no way Boyd doesn't kill Dargem. This is the entire characterization of that campaign chapter - Boyd wanting to take revenge on Dargem. Dead or Alive. That's why it's called this way. The AB{-ab} message in the Terror of the Seas does suggest its mostly correct placement (although slightly to the left of AB), so the only thing we can presume is that Dead or Alive occurs far, far after Beyond the Horizon. - Csaros (talk)
  • Maybe we should ask the HotA team for clarification, since they wrote the stories of both campaigns. - Kastore (talk) gave us some info a while back... --Legate (talk) 16:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  • CONCLUSION: Treachery mentions "...strange cities with golden-domed castles have begun appearing out of thin air all across the continent." That puts Terror of the Seas concurrent with Armageddon's Blade (campaign). As Homecoming (HotA)'s story text is obviously concurrent with the end of Armageddon's Blade (campaign), I think we have to conclude that Dargem somehow survived his encounter with Boyd. --Legate (talk) 17:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
  • In Might & Magic RPG games characters could be easily ressurected, if sent to a temple. Who knows that scoundrel Dargem. I though that at one point Jeremy would have to find and free him for a help and Dargem would complain how bad they treated him.--Archer (talk) 17:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Tavin

Tavin appears in Armageddon's Blade (campaign), where his guerillas help Gelu so that he may free their homeland. This suggests that AB happens before Homecoming (HotA)?

Lore up to the Reckoning

We should probably make a page with this info...it is linked in several locations on this wiki.

  • Jennifer Bullard - Lost manuscript files (Celestial Heavens)
    • This states that Mutare was killed on 07-17-1175.
    • Tarnum the Overlord day 1 event says that he took over the Nighon forces in the power vacuum left by Mutare's death.
    • So...Sword of Frost campaign happens from 1175 or 1176 to the early part of 1177? There is probably another clue nailing this down further in either the text of Sword of Frost or the lost manuscripts.
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